looking for a vhpd engine

[thomas turner]

hi people
i am looking for a vhpd engine with low mileage on it can any one help

[subaqua]

Not a VHPD... but I read a thread on SELOC earlier about someone who has just bought a sport 160 and is Honda'ing it so has the 160 to go if thats any help?

[thomas turner]

hi were is selocmany thanks tom

[Justin S]

try www.seloc.org/ There are many of us here on there, but will give you a better opportunity of finding one.Lots of people have been Honda_ing their cars etc...

[Gooby]

Holey st - is that the Tom Turner I was at University with?

[m44ttg]

From Scottish Elises:
for sale on LOT at £3,750.

"1900cc K series being refreshed by PEC Racing Engines ready for 2009 season, Arrow rods, Omega pistons, forged crank, fully balanced by vibration free, complete with 45mm Jenvey's 246 bhp, great engine.

Head - VHPD ported with 32.5 & 27mm valves, Piper 1444 cams, 45mm Single Jenveys on Exige ported manifold.
Block - Scholar 82mm bore, Arrow roads, Omega pistons, Chambon crank.

[clanger]

An emerald ecu will be required to run this engine so add 600 quid..

[thomas turner]

hi m44ttg
i think it is a bit dear for me i just want to put into a mg midget have you got any thing else thanks tom

[B@W]

http://www.blatchat.com/t.asp?Id=160448

nothing to do with me

[village idiot]

thomas turner said:

hi m44ttg
i think it is a bit dear for me i just want to put into a mg midget have you got any thing else thanks tom

bung a supercharged honda in there... far better if you want an mg miget with explosive acceleration.. the vhpd will just be the wrong kind of explosive.

[fergus]

village idiot said:

.. the vhpd will just be the wrong kind of explosive.

on what grounds?

[village idiot]

fergus said:

village idiot said:

.. the vhpd will just be the wrong kind of explosive.

on what grounds?

on the grounds that the VHPD is a very fickle race-bred engine which is widely known to go bang unless it has benefitted from relatively regular engine rebuilds... it's a great engine, don't get me wrong, but there are more reliable (and less costly) ways of making that kind of power, than using an engine that started life as a 1.4l lump.

that is the main reason why i have never bought myself an exige s1 despite coming very close on a number of occasions.

[clanger]

Like many things Lotus the VHPD is so much maligned - my VHPD has covered 61k miles without the head being lifted until hgf - well pleased btw - its a stonking engine if warmed up gently and, not ragged, from cold - I would never contemplate fitting a rice burner or an Audi -they are just so unlight - goes against CC's ethos

[Pesky]

clanger said:

Like many things Lotus the VHPD is so much maligned - my VHPD has covered 61k miles without the head being lifted until hgf - well pleased btw - its a stonking engine if warmed up gently and, not ragged, from cold - I would never contemplate fitting a rice burner or an Audi -they are just so unlight - goes against CC's ethos

You're just a bloody ostrich!

To get the VHPD running right, & reliable up to 220bhp, you need to spend big ££££££, if you want it to be equivalent to an off the shelf Rice Burner/Audi conversion in the actual real world performance/reliability stakes. Go beyond that, & the VHPD is on a loser in every dept. as proven in road/trackday/race applications over the last 3-5 years. If you're happy with around the 220 bhp level (& why shouldn't you be!), then it's just down to how you chose to spend your hard earned - properly sorted VHPD/Rice Burner/Audi.

See you on Saturday, matey

[Incredible Sulk]

Pesky said:

clanger said:

Like many things Lotus the VHPD is so much maligned - my VHPD has covered 61k miles without the head being lifted until hgf - well pleased btw - its a stonking engine if warmed up gently and, not ragged, from cold - I would never contemplate fitting a rice burner or an Audi -they are just so unlight - goes against CC's ethos

You're just a bloody ostrich!

To get the VHPD running right, & reliable up to 220bhp, you need to spend big ££££££, if you want it to be equivalent to an off the shelf Rice Burner/Audi conversion in the actual real world performance/reliability stakes. Go beyond that, & the VHPD is on a loser in every dept. as proven in road/trackday/race applications over the last 3-5 years. If you're happy with around the 220 bhp level (& why shouldn't you be!), then it's just down to how you chose to spend your hard earned - properly sorted VHPD/Rice Burner/Audi.

See you on Saturday, matey

Er............... My K series (not a VHPD) puts out about 185 ponies. It has been utterly reliable, and it cost less than half of what it would have cost to go the Honda/Audi conversion route, and as the poster above said its light, like it was designed to be. It would have produced over 200 bhp if I'd been able to get hold of a decent VHPD head. The K series is pretty much bomb proof provided you have a sensible rev limit, and provided you have it screwed together by someone who knows what they are doing. Mine is red-lined at 7600. It's plenty quick enough for the road. I don't expect to have to rebuild it until it has done about 40k miles on this engine (and even then it will be to have a look at the forged pistons).

The VHPD variant is no different. Get the thing rebuilt properly, with the cams properly timed and a decent EMS and map, and it will run like a dream, and it will be every bit as good in the twisty bits in the hands of an average driver as a Honda'd or Audi'd car. IMHO of course.

[clanger]

Pesky said:

clanger said:

Like many things Lotus the VHPD is so much maligned - my VHPD has covered 61k miles without the head being lifted until hgf - well pleased btw - its a stonking engine if warmed up gently and, not ragged, from cold - I would never contemplate fitting a rice burner or an Audi -they are just so unlight - goes against CC's ethos

You're just a bloody ostrich!

To get the VHPD running right, & reliable up to 220bhp, you need to spend big ££££££, if you want it to be equivalent to an off the shelf Rice Burner/Audi conversion in the actual real world performance/reliability stakes. Go beyond that, & the VHPD is on a loser in every dept. as proven in road/trackday/race applications over the last 3-5 years. If you're happy with around the 220 bhp level (& why shouldn't you be!), then it's just down to how you chose to spend your hard earned - properly sorted VHPD/Rice Burner/Audi.

See you on Saturday, matey

You speed junkie, some folk can never get enough

See you Saturday

[jke11y]

village idiot said:

fergus said:

village idiot said:

.. the vhpd will just be the wrong kind of explosive.

on what grounds?

on the grounds that the VHPD is a very fickle race-bred engine which is widely known to go bang unless it has benefitted from relatively regular engine rebuilds... it's a great engine, don't get me wrong, but there are more reliable (and less costly) ways of making that kind of power, than using an engine that started life as a 1.4l lump.

that is the main reason why i have never bought myself an exige s1 despite coming very close on a number of occasions.

So this is information you have read on the internet and spat out as your own knowledge?

My VHPD is currently on 68k miles running strong, head has only jst been taken off to adjust the tappet shims.

[fergus]

jke11y said:

village idiot said:

fergus said:

village idiot said:

.. the vhpd will just be the wrong kind of explosive.

on what grounds?

on the grounds that the VHPD is a very fickle race-bred engine which is widely known to go bang unless it has benefitted from relatively regular engine rebuilds... it's a great engine, don't get me wrong, but there are more reliable (and less costly) ways of making that kind of power, than using an engine that started life as a 1.4l lump.

that is the main reason why i have never bought myself an exige s1 despite coming very close on a number of occasions.

So this is information you have read on the internet and spat out as your own knowledge?

My VHPD is currently on 68k miles running strong, head has only jst been taken off to adjust the tappet shims.

exactly. Mine in my Caterham in 225hp format has done about 20k miles since the last refresh.

[Pesky]

My Exige VHPD was "refreshed" at 25K miles (incl 20 odd trackdays) by Gav Kershaw (Lotus devel. driver) & his race engineers. From new, I'd changed the oil every 3000 miles, or 3 trackdays at most. Engine was basically okay except for worn piston rings, but various bits & bobs were replaced with strenghted parts, & I then sold it in 2004 with 38K miles clocked up. It was going strong, & with standard cams/throttle bodies/Emerald it produced 196bhp. I've since lost track of it, so I've no idea how it has subsequently faired.

However, although my car is used on the road (now has 74K miles since new in Jan 2001), it is set up for track use. It was Honda n/a until the beginning of this year when a Jackson s/c was added.

Yes, a VHPD can be made reliable producing around the 200bhp mark, which I agree is plenty enough for road use in a "light" car. Start tweaking it above that power, & you'll be spending a fair amount, & if you want 240bhp plus, be prepared to spend absolute bucketloads. There are a lot of case studies on high powered (ie over 220bhp) K Series engines, & very few (any?) have stood up to the test of being reliable, or cheap.

I genuinely wish that the K series could deliver its potential in a reliable & cost effective way, but the reality is sadly different. Anyone who has followed the Mid Engined & LOT race series, or read about the experiences of (or spoken with) the likes of Gav Kershaw/Steve Butts/Scuffers/David Harvey/Sean Bicknell/Dave Skeggs/Chris Randall will have an appreciation of the above comments.

[jke11y]

I am in no way suggesting its as reliable as the K20, just trying to stop people from criticising it without any experience of thier own.