Never been tracked !
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Having looked through the classifieds recently to gloat on over the residuals of many TVR's I cant help noticing the words "never been tracked" now does that suggest a car has been treated badly, maybe thrashed to within an inch of its life by the owner!. Its a bit like the one "Lady owner" cant for the life of me think why that should have a bearing on its condition.
Tell me. Why is a TVR a better TVR when it has not been tracked. Surely a TVR with a tracked history and a mollycoddled service history is better than a TVR with no track history and a patchy service history. Now I don't know about other owners but my TVR is tracked and over serviced, in fact half of its life is on ramps being checked,changed,cleaned and played with.
What do you think and would you buy a tracked TVR.
Tell me. Why is a TVR a better TVR when it has not been tracked. Surely a TVR with a tracked history and a mollycoddled service history is better than a TVR with no track history and a patchy service history. Now I don't know about other owners but my TVR is tracked and over serviced, in fact half of its life is on ramps being checked,changed,cleaned and played with.
What do you think and would you buy a tracked TVR.
Edited by T450t on Wednesday 5th November 09:02
I'm sure there are TVRs that are tracked and underserviced, just as there are TVRs that are never tracked and overserviced, as well as the two situations you mentioned. Bottom line is you should judge every car on it's own merits and never trust the wording in an advert anyway.
Would a known track history stop me buying a TVR? Hell no! Half the outings of my own TVR this year have been track days
and the rest of the time is spent on the dyno! The car never complains and never lets me down, that's good enough for me
Would a known track history stop me buying a TVR? Hell no! Half the outings of my own TVR this year have been track days
and the rest of the time is spent on the dyno! The car never complains and never lets me down, that's good enough for me Edited by trackcar on Wednesday 5th November 09:10
This is an interesting one.
It is very difficult to drive cars such as TVRs to their limit on public roads. I enjoy a spirited run on NSL roads but my car hasn't been near a track.
My thinking is that tracking a car like this gives the owner the chance to really 'rag the arse' off it. I wouldn't want to do that to my car without then having it inspected/serviced to make sure everything was still ok.
Your comments have got me thinking though... Yes my car is for sale.... and yes it does say 'never been tracked'.... maybe i should change it?...
It is very difficult to drive cars such as TVRs to their limit on public roads. I enjoy a spirited run on NSL roads but my car hasn't been near a track.
My thinking is that tracking a car like this gives the owner the chance to really 'rag the arse' off it. I wouldn't want to do that to my car without then having it inspected/serviced to make sure everything was still ok.
Your comments have got me thinking though... Yes my car is for sale.... and yes it does say 'never been tracked'.... maybe i should change it?...
T450t said:
Having looked through the classifieds recently to gloat on over the residuals of many TVR's I cant help noticing the words "never been tracked" now does that suggest a car has been treated badly, maybe thrashed to within an inch of its life by the owner!. Its a bit like the one "Lady owner" cant for the life of me think why that should have a bearing on its condition.
Tell me. Why is a TVR a better TVR when it has not been tracked. Surely a TVR with a tracked history and a mollycoddled service history is better than a TVR with no track history and a patchy service history. Now I don't know about other owners but my TVR is tracked and over serviced, in fact half of its life is on ramps being checked,changed,cleaned and played with.
What do you think and would you buy a tracked TVR.
One Lady owner to me means it probably needs a de-coke and the clutch is slipping!!Tell me. Why is a TVR a better TVR when it has not been tracked. Surely a TVR with a tracked history and a mollycoddled service history is better than a TVR with no track history and a patchy service history. Now I don't know about other owners but my TVR is tracked and over serviced, in fact half of its life is on ramps being checked,changed,cleaned and played with.
What do you think and would you buy a tracked TVR.
Edited by T450t on Wednesday 5th November 09:02
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Some of the best maintained and presented cars I know are regular track tools. They are serviced to death, never see salt, and are used hard, but NEVER abused and often look better than new. Cars that are used mainly on track, often trailered to the circuit, rarley see the drudge of stop start traffic and will probably have seen many less cold start-ups that are the killer for most engines.
Other cars I've seen used at track days appear under serviced, are thrashed from cold, and I would not go near them with a barge pole.
Buy based on known condition is always the best advice.
Other cars I've seen used at track days appear under serviced, are thrashed from cold, and I would not go near them with a barge pole.
Buy based on known condition is always the best advice.
shaunsmith said:
TVR_owner said:
Some of the best maintained and presented cars I know are regular track tools. They are serviced to death, never see salt, and are used hard, but NEVER abused and often look better than new. Cars that are used mainly on track, often trailered to the circuit, rarley see the drudge of stop start traffic and will probably have seen many less cold start-ups that are the killer for most engines.
Other cars I've seen used at track days appear under serviced, are thrashed from cold, and I would not go near them with a barge pole.
Buy based on known condition is always the best advice.
Totally agree. Additionally, If I was looking for a Sagaris including all the Sagaris's for sale at the moment on here etc, yours would be the one I would buy no question...Other cars I've seen used at track days appear under serviced, are thrashed from cold, and I would not go near them with a barge pole.
Buy based on known condition is always the best advice.
I think if it's been tracked it's both good and bad. Theoretically track use could show up any major problems such as weak drivetrain components, massively wonky geometry, brakes that pull sideways, steering problems and so on. So hopefully those will have been spotted and ironed out. However maybe they'll just have been worsened, with everything else worn a bit extra too!
Still, if it had been track used I'd like to then feel confident you could thrash it without worrying about the engine having a fit because it's the first time it's been over 4000 rpm in over 10 years...
Still, if it had been track used I'd like to then feel confident you could thrash it without worrying about the engine having a fit because it's the first time it's been over 4000 rpm in over 10 years...
TVR_owner said:
shaunsmith said:
TVR_owner said:
Some of the best maintained and presented cars I know are regular track tools. They are serviced to death, never see salt, and are used hard, but NEVER abused and often look better than new. Cars that are used mainly on track, often trailered to the circuit, rarley see the drudge of stop start traffic and will probably have seen many less cold start-ups that are the killer for most engines.
Other cars I've seen used at track days appear under serviced, are thrashed from cold, and I would not go near them with a barge pole.
Buy based on known condition is always the best advice.
Totally agree. Additionally, If I was looking for a Sagaris including all the Sagaris's for sale at the moment on here etc, yours would be the one I would buy no question...Other cars I've seen used at track days appear under serviced, are thrashed from cold, and I would not go near them with a barge pole.
Buy based on known condition is always the best advice.
Shaun
I think you are over-complicating what is meant.
"Never tracked" implies that the additional wear and tear that is generally put on a car by being tracked (and treated more vigorously), is absent.
Servicing schedule, preventative maintenance and other actions can all more than compensate for this, but the inference is that tracked cars are exposed to more wear.
"Never tracked" implies that the additional wear and tear that is generally put on a car by being tracked (and treated more vigorously), is absent.
Servicing schedule, preventative maintenance and other actions can all more than compensate for this, but the inference is that tracked cars are exposed to more wear.
morebeanz said:
I think you are over-complicating what is meant.
"Never tracked" implies that the additional wear and tear that is generally put on a car by being tracked (and treated more vigorously), is absent.
Servicing schedule, preventative maintenance and other actions can all more than compensate for this, but the inference is that tracked cars are exposed to more wear.
Depends what the track use is vs road use. The quite recent trend to buy cars for almost exclusive track day use complicates your otherwise sound theory. "Never tracked" implies that the additional wear and tear that is generally put on a car by being tracked (and treated more vigorously), is absent.
Servicing schedule, preventative maintenance and other actions can all more than compensate for this, but the inference is that tracked cars are exposed to more wear.
I refer back to my cold start/use note (and the use in Winter - something TVRS build quality stuggles with sadly) suggesting therfore, that a car thats been almost exclusivly used at track days and over serviced will be streets ahead mechanicaly - I include the chassis in that statement.
Cosmetically it's down to pride of ownership and the owner.
The caveat is a car thats been used almost exclsively for concours - something I think is sad....
It's a can of worms! I have and do track my car, and its well looked after and serviced. I think alot of people who track their pride and joy tend to look after them and are more sympathetic to wear and tear.
But heres another, One careful Lady owner-one burnt out clutch
What about buying a car off a non TVR savvy owner, not warmed up correctly and only does say 6 miles to work and back. Serviced once a year(low mileage service), and thrashed at weekends.
So who's car would you buy
But heres another, One careful Lady owner-one burnt out clutch
What about buying a car off a non TVR savvy owner, not warmed up correctly and only does say 6 miles to work and back. Serviced once a year(low mileage service), and thrashed at weekends.
So who's car would you buy
morebeanz said:
"Never tracked" implies that the additional wear and tear that is generally put on a car by being tracked (and treated more vigorously), is absent.
Servicing schedule, preventative maintenance and other actions can all more than compensate for this, but the inference is that tracked cars are exposed to more wear.
Quite. The opposite of 'never tracked' is 'thrashed'. I don't want a car that's had the nuts caned off it sideways.Servicing schedule, preventative maintenance and other actions can all more than compensate for this, but the inference is that tracked cars are exposed to more wear.
I'd be quite happy purchasing a tracked car over and above the obvious of properly set up suspension,brakes etc because with my limited mechanical knowledge i would be happy in the knowledge that the car had been properly warmed up etc before use and i would have thought there is less mechanical stress on a flat track than on a bad B road surface on all the major components
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