How many vers of fords panther black?

[dreaddan]

Does any one know how may versions of panther black ford make?

I've had 2 doors done under warrenty and there a completly diffrent colour.


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Thanks
Dan

[Anatol]

Loads. Most Fords have different variants of their paint on plastics and metal panels.

Plus, the warranty work is extremely unlikely to have been done with the same paint Ford uses at the factory - the Ford-approved bodyshop will still have used their in-house mixing system to replicate as best it can the factory finish.

Some refinishers won't pay out for the decks of chips of all the different variants of all the different paints out there - it's quite high cost and need regular updates. These operations will always be hit and miss on matching that precisely...

Tol

[7even]

Having said that, they could have blended in to the next panel. But its like insurance work nowerdays, they wont pay top $, so the B/S will do as little work/prep/paint as possible.
Looking at the pic I rekon the car will look fine in the shade, but when the sun comes out, thats a different story.

As Tol said, there are, when I last looked over 10 variations of the colour, and thats just 1 paint manufacturer, and there are numerous manufacturers which will in turn all be different.
Which unfortunately doesnt help you in your case, but does answer your original question

[dreaddan]

Thanks, thats the answer I was looking for.
The car does look fine in the shade / dark but as soon as it's bright the car looks st
No one is taking responsibility for it - the body shop are saying not to look at it in bright light(or was it direct sun light)!

Thanks
Dan

[7even]

dreaddan said:

the body shop are saying not to look at it in bright light(or was it direct sun light)!

Thanks
Dan

I'll need to try that one.....


somehow I doubt id get away with it, there would be a pride issue I think

[dreaddan]

yes i find it supprising but given that the 1st try it came back with overspray, damage and rust (theat they were sorting out) was painted over!!!!

[BYRON]

i would say if your not happy take it back and ask them to do it again its not the hardest colour to match but you still wouldnt paint it edge to edge

[apguy]

BYRON said:

i would say if your not happy take it back and ask them to do it again its not the hardest colour to match but you still wouldnt paint it edge to edge

Actually Panther Black is an absolute git of a colour to match. I have Spies Hecker and PPG paint schemes, both have multiple variants on it. However the main problem (for Panther Black) is not the tint but the fleck stand-up. By that I mean how the metallic flakes sit in the base coat. Gun pressure will determine how the metallic flakes sit in the base, and this in turn affects light reflection and therefore colour match.

Equally it unlikely that the doors has been painted edge to edge, more likely its the lacquer that is edge to edge and a thick coat of lacquer with UV protection will have a yellow tinge. This too will affect the colour match.

[edited to add]: As it's a Mondy and it was in for warranty I'm betting the problem was corrosion on the lower doors, where the skins are wrapped over the frame. Which also adds weight to my suggestion about lacquer throwing the colour out. This is because the paint probably wouldn't have been taken above the moulding line, and yet the top door to wing colour is still out. (lacquer is normally applied to complete skin even for a localised repair)

Certainly it's a poor job by the bodyshop and should be pursued.

Edited by apguy on Tuesday 11th November 23:35

[Anatol]

apguy said:

However the main problem (for Panther Black) is not the tint but the fleck stand-up. By that I mean how the metallic flakes sit in the base coat. Gun pressure will determine how the metallic flakes sit in the base...

Certainly was an issue with solvent paint - because of the rapid flash times. However one of the big advantages of waterborne is that if you're applying to panels at a good temperature, the paint sits in a wet film for significantly longer - in fact until air and/or heat is applied to get the water evaporating. This should give the particulates in the paint loads of time to properly orient if your film build is the right sort of depth (and nozzle/pressure are as per the TDS)

I've not sprayed Spies Hecker, but PPG recommend 2 full coats and then 1 lighter 'control coat' for all of their waterborne systems if memory serves. Is that the technique you're using? Repeated mist coats that some solvent systems preferred could end up with some flake orientation issues.

We treat panther black like a silver - with a reverse blend to a sensible zone. There are so many variants with differences in the colour of the pearl content that blending it out so that any fade in tone looks natural to the eye is akin to laying down an even pure-metallic blend.

The VAG group metallic blacks are so much simpler to work with!

Tol

Edited for spelling

Edited by Anatol on Wednesday 12th November 09:03

[dreaddan]

So how is the best way of getting them to sort it?
My current plan it to take it to another place and get there opinnion and get them to do a report.

[Anatol]

If the work was done under warranty, it's a Ford main dealer issue. Have you discussed it with the dealership manager for the place that arranged the work?

If he/she digs their heels in, then it may be time to take it to another (ford-approved if possible) bodyshop and have a condition report, and then take it up with Ford UK.

Alternatively, if the bodyshop who did the work is a member of one of the relevant professional associations, such as VBRA, they will have customer charter obligations and dispute resolution procedures you can invoke, and will be very interested in quality-of-service issues among their members, and may be worth a phone call.

Tol

[dreaddan]

Yes I've spoken to the bodyshop maniger who was the one who has said that I shouldnt look at it in sunlight.

Im going to pop off to another dealer which has a bodyshop tomorrow and see if they'll have a look at it for us, as the original place has made them self clear there not intrested in doing anything further.

VBRA dont list them as a member

Cheers
dan

[dreaddan]

Well have spoken to 2 diffrent bodyshops who both say panther black needs blending.
Both say they usually do it anyways because it's not worth the hassle of not doing it!

so I guess I better complain at ford more

[7even]

7even said:

Having said that, they could have blended in to the next panel.

well done you for persevering, hope you get on ok

[dreaddan]

Whay!!!!
Finanly got confermation that they've baed it up!
There paint supplyer says thay've used the wrong colour and it's going back in next week..
Just in time for the summer