RE: California Dreamin'
RE: California Dreamin'
Thursday 13th November 2008

California Dreamin'

Karma plugs into Porsche production line


Fisker: Likes Priuses. Usually for breakfast.
Fisker: Likes Priuses. Usually for breakfast.
The world’s first plug-in hybrid sports saloon, the Fisker Karma, will go into production late next year at the Valmet Automotive factory in Finland.

A final assembly contract has been signed by both parties that will see the radical Karma built on a new production line – ultimately employing up to 500 workers – alongside Valmet’s existing facility that makes the Boxster and Cayman models for Porsche. A statement from Valmet says a new body welding line will be built for Fisker while existing painting and assembly processes can be adapted to integrate the new model’s production.


Annual Karma production is scheduled to reach 15,000 units, with deliveries starting for North America in the final quarter next year. European deliveries are scheduled to begin in 2010.

The Karma is a swoopy four door designed by Henrik Fisker, with a body that makes extensive use of lightweight materials to wrap up a leading-edge hybrid drivetrain. A top speed beyond 125mph is claimed, with 0-60 mph despatched in less than 6 seconds from a standing start.


The Karma’s Q Drive technology features a small petrol engine turning a generator that charges a lithium ion battery pack, powering an electric motor that drives the rear wheels.

Fisker is committed to producing a range of hybrid models in future, all to be built by Valmet as the California-based company’s contracted engineering and manufacturing supplier.

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E21_Ross

Original Poster:

36,556 posts

234 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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article said: "with 0-60 mph despatched in less than 6 seconds from a standing start."

well it wouldn't be a standing start if it wasn't 0-60 would it...

mike_1985

357 posts

213 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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Finally something to look forward to ,heard something along the lines of 150mpg to a gallon if driven less then 50 miles a day and in conservative mode . IIRc prices were somewhere along $80,000.00 but as things are now days by the time it reaches here it would cost a zillion pounds

waynepixel

3,978 posts

246 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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Will anyone buy this car. Look at it?

Fetchez la vache

5,873 posts

236 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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article said:
Annual Karma production is scheduled to reach 15,000 units
eek Is that realistic??

Wammer

394 posts

210 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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Its like the mating of a Maserati GranTorismo and a DB9. Strange that the company has been re bodieing Astons for some years now. http://www.fiskercb.com/

mike_1985

357 posts

213 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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Its not a bad looking car , even thou I do think it would be updated a bit as this design is 3-5 years old now .

I read somewhere they sold all cars for the 1st year(dont know how many) , so yeah people are buying them . Dont know about 15,000 I guess it would be possible if they keep the price down .


bencollins

3,558 posts

227 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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The Karma’s Q Drive technology features a small petrol engine turning a generator that charges a lithium ion battery pack, powering an electric motor that drives the rear wheels.

the best way to do it, light, small and cheap battery pack, with long range, though it cant sustain autobahn cruising.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

240 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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I think it looks fantastic and the 2 stroke engine should make one hell of a roar at full chat smile

timewatch

881 posts

216 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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(The Karma’s Q Drive technology features a small petrol engine turning a generator that charges a lithium ion battery pack, powering an electric motor that drives the rear wheels.)

SENSE PREVAILS !!

FEK - I have been saying that for years Small engine charging the battery much better idea until the real stuff is developed.

Beautiful car though.

TW>>>

dazsmith69

284 posts

214 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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sexy styling, unsure of the fron though, allround great concept though

dublet

283 posts

233 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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What the article above fails to mention is:

Autoweek.nl said:
Starting price is 80,000 USD
Choice of petrol or diesel engines
Battery pack will give a range of 80km(~50miles)
Has a KERS system
Will have two operating modes: "Stealth Drive" and "Sports Drive"
http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws.php?id=10219
http://www.valmet-automotive.com/automotive/bullet...

The Milfman

1,107 posts

211 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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I must be the only one who thinks it looks fantastic!!

getmecoat

Karlos69

900 posts

211 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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At last - a "hybrid" car designed the right way round - a small engine generating power for the electric motor.

Hang on. Haven't diesel-electric trains been doing something similar for years?

Sivraj

256 posts

213 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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The Milfman said:
I must be the only one who thinks it looks fantastic!!

getmecoat
I agree it looks great !!!
I'll take it black please.
smokin

TaylotS2K

1,964 posts

229 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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an uglier copy of a Granturismo IMO.

nickpan

643 posts

211 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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The interior designer should be shot at dawn.

why do these hybrid vehicles always have to look as crap as they sound? The best fully electic vehicle i've seen for sale is the fiat 500 because at least it looks good.

Does the photo of it in blue remind anyone of a sausage dog?

Edited by nickpan on Thursday 13th November 15:56

LotusACBC

2,591 posts

306 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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The pic of the blue side picture looks like a glorified version of the Infiniti G37S. Also looks sort of like an Aston Martin.

I sort of like it though.

nickpan

643 posts

211 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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Los Angeles said:
Where can I find info on the 'leccy Fiat 500?
http://www.nicecarcompany.co.uk/e500.html



Edited by nickpan on Thursday 13th November 15:58

NaumanF1

48 posts

254 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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Wammer said:

"Its like the mating of a Maserati GranTorismo and a DB9. Strange that the company has been re bodieing Astons for some years now. http://www.fiskercb.com/ "

First of all, the cars built under the Fisker Coachbuilt banner were not rebodied Astons, the Tramonto was based on the Mercedes SL and the Latigo CS was based on the BMW 6-series. I have been fortunate enough to drive both and they were fantastic. Not only did they look great (alot better in person than they ever did in pictures) but thanks to their tuned engines, not only did they make great noises they were a lot faster too. Plus the quality of work was truly top notch.
As for the Karma, I saw it at the Detroit autoshow in January and it looks incredible, inside and out.
The technology behind it comes from Quantum Technologies which has been providing similar systems for military vehicles for about a decade, so it should be quite bullet-proof.
All in all, I think Henrik is onto a winner with the Karma and I can't wait to see these running around.

Turbo Sarnie

92 posts

212 months

Thursday 13th November 2008
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Sivraj said:
The Milfman said:
I must be the only one who thinks it looks fantastic!!

getmecoat
I agree it looks great !!!
I'll take it black please.
smokin
im with you guys, i think it looks good, bit of maserati in there!