Gas Fire, non-external wall?

[AMCDan]

The other half and i are looking at a property at the moment.

It's a semi-detached house, and is attached by the living room wall.

The living room will have one external wall to the front, it has a window on it and is not a suitable place for a fire.

The only suitable place is on the internal wall.

So is out only option to go for an electric fire? Is it possible to get a flueless gas fire? or one that can take a long flue?

I don't give a rats ass, but it's the ultimate decision factor for the OH!!!

[tom g]

it is possible to use a non-inset gas fire with a long internal flue to the external wall (you;d have to look into the details)
But if its just for show (you'll prob have a radiator anyway?) it would be much cheaper/easier to stick in a leccy one.

[AMCDan]

if it was for show i wouldn't want an electric one!

the room it'd be going in isn't huge, so i wouldn't want to have to make a pipe chase or box anything in etc..

[aclivity]

non-flue fires need quite a large air vent in the same room. Something like a 10cm diameter vent - which in itself will cool the room down, not the effect you really want. Some of the electric fires available now look pretty good though.

[bigTee]

just open your windows when fire is on.

will be fine.

[aclivity]

bigTee said:

just open your windows when fire is on.

will be fine.

That will fail gas safety inspections so the installer should not fit in that situation.

[Wacky Racer]

bigTee said:

just open your windows when fire is on.

will be fine.

I hope you're not serious.........

[bigTee]

aclivity said:

bigTee said:

just open your windows when fire is on.

will be fine.

That will fail gas safety inspections so the installer should not fit in that situation.

I WAS joking

[aclivity]

flueless fires: http://www.fireplacemegastore.co.uk/catalytic-flue...

[tom g]

flueless fires website said:

100% efficient

100% efficient? how?

Edited by tom g on Tuesday 18th November 12:24

[Deva Link]

tom g said:

flueless fires website said:

100% efficient

100% efficient? how?

...by being lacking in the wastefullness department?

[AMCDan]

aclivity said:

flueless fires: http://www.fireplacemegastore.co.uk/catalytic-flue...

wow, thanks. some of them actually look relatively normal.

...need to do some research on them though. Would need to know more about the "minimum size and ventilation requirements" though

[funinthesun]

pop a sub 5kw wood burner in - long flue up through the floor will also heat the room it passes through upstairs, and no need for a external vent with that power stove....

[aclivity]

AMCDan said:

aclivity said:

flueless fires: http://www.fireplacemegastore.co.uk/catalytic-flue...

wow, thanks. some of them actually look relatively normal.

...need to do some research on them though. Would need to know more about the "minimum size and ventilation requirements" though

it says "Ventilation 100 cm2 Air vent is required" which is bigger than a 10cm diameter hole. If it was earlier in the evening I could work out how big a hole would need to be ... if it was square, it would be 10cm along each side.

In the notes section it says:
"This Fire should not be installed in a room smaller than 30m³ with built in ventilation of at least 100cm² and an openable window."

We looked at them a while ago, and in the end paid to have the chimney made up to standard, as the flueless option just seemed so much bother.

[northwest monkey]

tom g said:

flueless fires website said:

100% efficient

100% efficient? how?

Edited by tom g on Tuesday 18th November 12:24

Obvious when you think about it - 0% of the heat goes up the chimney, 100% of the heat comes into the room;)

[Simpo Two]

I suspect 100% efficiency is physically impossible owing to the law of conservation of matter, or energy, or something. I also suspect that in this instance the term has been coined by a marketing department who can't rustle up a science O-level between them...

What about a woodburner/multifuel stove? There are designs where the flue goes straight up through the ceiling.

[Simpo Two]

aclivity said:

it says "Ventilation 100 cm2 Air vent is required" which is bigger than a 10cm diameter hole. If it was earlier in the evening I could work out how big a hole would need to be ... if it was square, it would be 10cm along each side.

Area of a circle = pi x r2

100cm2 = 3.142 x r2

r2 = 100cm2 / 3.142

r = square root of 100cm2 / 3.142

[AMCDan]

sod it, i don't like the sound of the flueless ones.

think i'll get a bloody big tv instead.

thanks for your help!

[Carl_Spackler]

I had a flueless fire fitted a couple of years ago, condensation is your main problem even with the vent, you have to open the door every hour or so because the place resembled a steam room with water pissing down the windows.

On the plus side this wasn't a big issue as the place was tropical after 5 mins of the fire being on, which the ice queen (wife) loved, the 100% efficant thing was a plus for my penny pinching ways too.

[aclivity]

Simpo Two said:

aclivity said:

it says "Ventilation 100 cm2 Air vent is required" which is bigger than a 10cm diameter hole. If it was earlier in the evening I could work out how big a hole would need to be ... if it was square, it would be 10cm along each side.

Area of a circle = pi x r2

100cm2 = 3.142 x r2

r2 = 100cm2 / 3.142

r = square root of 100cm2 / 3.142

11.28 cm diameter vent.