nitro...

[veryoldfart]

I assume there is vat on nitro (and methanol) but is there duty on it as well?

[NitroWars]

All fuels used for racing should have duty imposed...

[veryoldfart]

if theres duty on it then the reduction of VAT has resulted in no effect, if theres no duty on it then its just got a bit cheaper

as it isnt a road going fuel (bit like red derv) id have thought there was no duty on it

[veryoldfart]

bit of time for the price to settle, easter is a way off and i cant see RC planes/cars being a big market, a 45 gallon drum would last quite a while in a model cessna

[BB-Q]

If you were less than honest with our beloved government you could always buy Methanol from a chemical supply company. It's an industrial cleaner isn't it?

[veryoldfart]

BB-Q said:

If you were less than honest with our beloved government you could always buy Methanol from a chemical supply company. It's an industrial cleaner isn't it?

not sure honesty is an issue unless you intend to use it on the road, but getting the right grade for racing could be a problem, sounds like it would clean your engine whilst running though....


67-56-1 grade, 5ltr - £19.89 (is that good or bad?)

Edited by veryoldfart on Tuesday 25th November 20:23

[kestral]

NitroWars said:

All fuels used for racing should have duty imposed...

Are you saying there is no duty now???

[veryoldfart]

NitroWars said:

All fuels used for racing should have duty imposed...

why?

with diesel its specifically states "road going useage" adds duty, hence red is only 25p a ltr (or something)

i bet powerboat racers with diesel engines arent paying duty on fuel

Edited by veryoldfart on Wednesday 26th November 08:50

[fastcarl]

its a road fuel duty, so why would race fuels and the like have duty added, as far as i would be conderned , if someone tried to charge me duty and the likes of methanol i'd walk away.



carl

[veryoldfart]

fastcarl said:

its a road fuel duty, so why would race fuels and the like have duty added, as far as i would be conderned , if someone tried to charge me duty and the likes of methanol i'd walk away.



carl

but would you know? petrol/diesel at garages has vat and duty in the price but only shows VAT

so any reciept for nitro/methanol would probably only show VAT, even your supplier may not know.

seems marine diesel is charged at a lower rate "leisure fuel" duty, dont know about avgas....

Edited by veryoldfart on Friday 28th November 12:32

[NitroWars]

kestral said:

NitroWars said:

All fuels used for racing should have duty imposed...

Are you saying there is no duty now???

No I am saying that race fuels do have duty imposed if bought from racing sources, but as somebody has already mentioned, methanol can be bought from other sources...

Back in the Eighties what was then Customs & Excise mentioned that they would be checking at a race meeting that the fuels used had the required duties imposed. They wanted to do it at a September meeting!

Edited by NitroWars on Friday 28th November 14:03

[jumpingdoghouse]

Why would you want to encourage the custom and excise to visit any meetings at all???

[martyn b]

Dont go near the red diesel thing. Marine fuel duty has recently changed due to EU ruling, and has only complicated things~ leisure boaters now have two rates of duty on red diesel!!and both of them more than farm diesel. Registered working fishing boats have yet another rate. Seems that yachties are obliged to declare whether the diesel is used for propulsion(not much short of £1) or heating/lighting generator(about 60p) at purchase and pay the higher/lower rate otherwise it is assumed a 60/40 split towards propulsion. CustomsExcise say they will be visiting boats/suppliers to check declarations.. more beaurocracy, more civil servant wages..

[martyn b]

Oh, and if you go abroad, you must take your fuel receipts as proof of duties paid for your arrival and return...

[veryoldfart]

martyn b said:

Oh, and if you go abroad, you must take your fuel receipts as proof of duties paid for your arrival and return...

coming back aint a problem, willi betz and norbert dentressangle bring thousands of gallons of french and german diesel in weekly

[NitroWars]

jumpingdoghouse said:

Why would you want to encourage the custom and excise to visit any meetings at all???

I was just answering a question and C&E were not invited but said they would be turning up... They have more enforcement rights than the police have!

[veryoldfart]

NitroWars said:

jumpingdoghouse said:

Why would you want to encourage the custom and excise to visit any meetings at all???

I was just answering a question and C&E were not invited but said they would be turning up... They have more enforcement rights than the police have!

HMRC (in this case the VAT man) can go anywhere and take anything without a court issued warrant, each officer carries a copy of the act of parliament (1777 or 1877 i think, ish) mess with them at your own risk!

[martyn b]

veryoldfart said:

martyn b said:

Oh, and if you go abroad, you must take your fuel receipts as proof of duties paid for your arrival and return...

coming back aint a problem, willi betz and norbert dentressangle bring thousands of gallons of french and german diesel in weekly

My point exactly.. They are foreign truck operators and they are not running red diesel(I presume). If they were UK citizens in their yacht different rules and different duty rates apply to which VAT is then added.

[veryoldfart]

martyn b said:

veryoldfart said:

martyn b said:

Oh, and if you go abroad, you must take your fuel receipts as proof of duties paid for your arrival and return...

coming back aint a problem, willi betz and norbert dentressangle bring thousands of gallons of french and german diesel in weekly

My point exactly.. They are foreign truck operators and they are not running red diesel(I presume). If they were UK citizens in their yacht different rules and different duty rates apply to which VAT is then added.

no, but likewise they arent paying UK duty and rates and more often than not they seek illegal cabotage when dropped here, but at least euro-derv is now almost as expensive as it is here, 1 euro a ltr in spain and the exchange rate is £1 to 1.08 euros

Edited by veryoldfart on Sunday 30th November 13:12

[jumpingdoghouse]

Nitro wars,humble appologies if it seemed that i was having a pop , that was not my intention. It just makes my blood boil when the subject of duty etc comes up in our beloved sport!!! I tried earlier this year to buy some methanol in 45 gallon drums from various large chemical companies and even though i explained that it would be for drag racing, i was told that i would have to pay vat AND an alternative fuel surcharge aswell!!!!The result would have been 45 gallons of methanol would work out to about £340 per drum. I have since found a supplier that sells at £150 a drum all in..Happy days