Finance Bods, Taylor Wimpey?
Finance Bods, Taylor Wimpey?
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SimonMaidenhead

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2,653 posts

232 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Currently trading at 4.39p from a high of 229p a year ago. Worth a go? Surely a company of that size is going anywhere?

dazren

22,612 posts

290 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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The "business/brands" may well trade on in the future but will it be with current shareholders owning a stake.......


snorkel sucker

2,718 posts

232 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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or the absolute high of over £5 back when taylor woodrow merged with george wimpey in 2007...

they are very close to collapse at the moment and it has been a slow demise. back in the summer, they were fluctuating by 10-30p a day and there were gains to be had there. right now, you would be in it for the long run if you bought, rather than a short term gain, unless you have big melons...


Shnozz

30,645 posts

300 months

emicen

9,237 posts

247 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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SimonMaidenhead said:
Currently trading at 4.39p from a high of 229p a year ago. Worth a go? Surely a company of that size is going anywhere?
Course it isnt going anywhere..... as many people said about Enron and indeed Ferranti

SimonMaidenhead

Original Poster:

2,653 posts

232 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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emicen said:
SimonMaidenhead said:
Currently trading at 4.39p from a high of 229p a year ago. Worth a go? Surely a company of that size is going anywhere?
Course it isnt going anywhere..... as many people said about Enron and indeed Ferranti
A very good point, well put sir bow

Shnozz

30,645 posts

300 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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As always, depends on your risk policy. There are some cheap housebuilders out there at the moment and no doubt some of them are good value. Persimmon has again lost ground today and yet has what would appear a better structure, management board and less exposure than some of its rivals. I bought in before when they were first hammered down and bottled and got out entirely again when they rose from my buy in at 220 to 350 ish. They are now back to 223.5 buy. I am minded to go back in and hold longer term.

The banking sector is where I have been dabbling recently and friday finally had the courage to buy into Lloyds. Today it reached 22% gain and I'll probably kick myself for not getting out.

As usual, case of sorting the wheat from the chaff and finding businesses that have been unfairly grouped in a falling sector. It served me well sifting through IT companies in the post millenium IT stock crash where there were some strong contenders hidden amongst a lot of pie in the sky forecasted turnover IT start-ups.

bluevelvet

2,392 posts

283 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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At current levels you are effectively buying a call (option) that they will offer a return at some point...they are basically bust and traditional stock valuation methods would not come up with this price...it is nothing more than a punt with known downside.

Roo.

11,504 posts

236 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Mentioned these to a friend of mine the other week who used to work for them.

He believes that rumours of a complete refinance in February will not help.

Republik

4,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Must admit I have rather a few shares in them. Its a big risk. I bought mine at 43p and they have tumbled ever since. They also have a st debt recovery plan. Up to you really, are you feeling brave?

Vixpy1

42,699 posts

293 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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They are awaiting the approval of a refinance deal at the moment,we should know in Jan the results.

Wacky Racer

41,336 posts

276 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Fairly large well known and respected builder near me (Hurstwood's) just gone under a few weeks ago......They had a large new retail park 90% built in Rawtenstall near Burnley..with Subway, Argos, Homebase waiting to come in....The place now looks like an unfinished building site..and these retailers have decided to pull out....perhaps they were glad really in view of current trading conditions...

Fully expect it to be an eyesore for months if not years.........

Tuska

961 posts

259 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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My understanding is they are VERY close to collapse. They have a truly massive landbank which they can neither afford to dispose of nor build on.
In the meantime they still have to service the debt......

Run a mile dear boy, run a mile.

Roo.

11,504 posts

236 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Tuska said:
Run a mile dear boy, run a mile.
Exactly what my friend said.

madala

5,063 posts

227 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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plus one....not with a ten foot barge pole.....

Roo. said:
Tuska said:
Run a mile dear boy, run a mile.
Exactly what my friend said.
Edited by madala on Tuesday 25th November 18:02

Sam_68

9,939 posts

274 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Tuska said:
My understanding is they are VERY close to collapse.

Run a mile dear boy, run a mile.
yes Word on the ground is that the banks will be pulling the plug immediately after Christmas. frown

Tuska

961 posts

259 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Sam_68 said:
yes Word on the ground is that the banks will be pulling the plug immediately after Christmas. frown
I was told Dec 24th, if you can believe that.

Andy Zarse

10,870 posts

276 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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You need to have a look at what the junk status corporate debt is trading at.

northwest monkey

6,370 posts

218 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
Fairly large well known and respected builder near me (Hurstwood's) just gone under a few weeks ago......They had a large new retail park 90% built in Rawtenstall near Burnley..with Subway, Argos, Homebase waiting to come in....The place now looks like an unfinished building site..and these retailers have decided to pull out....perhaps they were glad really in view of current trading conditions...

Fully expect it to be an eyesore for months if not years.........
You must be fairly local to me. I imagine Homebase etc are breathing a massive sigh of relief right now. Subway have opened up at the petrol station on Burnley Rd so it's not all bad newsbiggrin

I was talking to someone earlier today indirectly linked to the Hurstwood group & they said its an absolute mess. Apparently a lot of the 'turnover' was just money being shifted from one part of the group to another.....

ironictwist

7,127 posts

234 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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No wonder they were asking for a 30% "trade discount" when one of there offices rung me up the other day confused