Hard Working Families
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oyster

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13,729 posts

277 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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This phrase has appeared in the last few years, I suspect put into the lexicon by a NuLabia spin doctor. But it's now being used by the other parties too. WTF is it all about?
What on earth is a hard working family? Or do they just mean average family but feel this might hurt their feelings?

poj

811 posts

217 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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oyster said:
This phrase has appeared in the last few years, I suspect put into the lexicon by a NuLabia spin doctor. But it's now being used by the other parties too. WTF is it all about?
What on earth is a hard working family? Or do they just mean average family but feel this might hurt their feelings?

A typical family from Newcastle

Simpo Two

92,717 posts

294 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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People without children seem to be second class citizens...

sleep envy

62,260 posts

278 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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Simpo Two said:
People without children seem to be cash/tax cows
EFA

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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I think it's supposed to differentiate from the families with 7 kids a la the Matthews's of Dewsbury who have never worked a day in their lives but who are the recipients of state largesse at our expense.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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sleep envy said:
Simpo Two said:
People without children seem to be cash/tax cows
EFA
That litre of grouse £16.50 child allowance makes all the difference I can assure you.

Mobile Chicane

21,996 posts

241 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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My A#1 gripe. Have never encountered such a thing, personally.

In my experience, those with children leave work at 5 on the dot, secure in the knowledge that they have have a cast-iron excuse to do so, leaving their colleagues to take up the slack.

BigLepton

5,042 posts

230 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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poj said:
oyster said:
This phrase has appeared in the last few years, I suspect put into the lexicon by a NuLabia spin doctor. But it's now being used by the other parties too. WTF is it all about?
What on earth is a hard working family? Or do they just mean average family but feel this might hurt their feelings?

A typical family from Newcastle
Do you work for the geordie marketing board?

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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BigLepton said:
poj said:
oyster said:
This phrase has appeared in the last few years, I suspect put into the lexicon by a NuLabia spin doctor. But it's now being used by the other parties too. WTF is it all about?
What on earth is a hard working family? Or do they just mean average family but feel this might hurt their feelings?

A typical family from Newcastle
Do you work for the geordie marketing board?
Geordie marketing specialists - Haddaway & ste.

thehawk

9,335 posts

236 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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Simpo Two said:
People without children seem to be second class citizens...
Scum or gayers, the lot of them. What do they contribute to the ongoing survival of the human race?

Johnny

9,652 posts

313 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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thehawk said:
Simpo Two said:
People without children seem to be second class citizens...
Scum or gayers, the lot of them. What do they contribute to the ongoing survival of the human race?
I will assume you forgot the wink at the top, yes?

King Herald

23,501 posts

245 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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oyster said:
This phrase has appeared in the last few years, I suspect put into the lexicon by a NuLabia spin doctor. But it's now being used by the other parties too. WTF is it all about?
What on earth is a hard working family? Or do they just mean average family but feel this might hurt their feelings?
A hard working family, as opposed to a new generation scumbag family, where she works part time in the Coop, is claiming £200 a week 'social', and he lives at her house, whilst claiming dole, rent and Job seekers, but says he lives in his mates flat.

Don

28,378 posts

313 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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oyster said:
What on earth is a hard working family?
The conventional meaning would appear to be two adults, one male, one female, with 2.4 children. One adult works full time. The other at least part-time and possibly full time as well.

They recieve the square root of feck all in benefits and their tax credits are so hard to claim and require the disclosure of so much personal information for about £100 a year they don't bother.

Their kids go to state schools, except where they are so st they somehow find £6K to £10k a year (after taxes!) to pay for private education. Their kids, when they do go on to further education, will rack up debts of £20K just paying for it.

They go to NHS health facilities, except when they can't be bothered to see you for six months despite the fact you are in pain, and therefore pay a BUPA/PPP top up (after taxes!) in case some help is required quickly. Despite paying National Insurance that was supposed to cover health services they go to private dentist, as there is no other sort any more, and a private optician. Their kids costs hundreds every year on just those things.

They drive ordinary family vehicles - not new, a few years old - because they need to move the 2.4 kids around and, until recently, would have been charged the princely sum of £450 a year for the privelige.

In some areas, despite paying £2K in "Council Tax", they have to pay extra to have their rubbish taken away. If they put the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin (little Jonny is only five so he does get it wrong sometimes) they are fined and given a criminal record despite their best intentions. If they want their garden waste taken away in summer this also costs extra.

I think it's these people the politicians are talking about. You know - the ones whose job it is to pay. For everything.

THX138

483 posts

222 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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Don said:
oyster said:
What on earth is a hard working family?
The conventional meaning would appear to be two adults, one male, one female, with 2.4 children. One adult works full time. The other at least part-time and possibly full time as well.

They recieve the square root of feck all in benefits and their tax credits are so hard to claim and require the disclosure of so much personal information for about £100 a year they don't bother.

Their kids go to state schools, except where they are so st they somehow find £6K to £10k a year (after taxes!) to pay for private education. Their kids, when they do go on to further education, will rack up debts of £20K just paying for it.

They go to NHS health facilities, except when they can't be bothered to see you for six months despite the fact you are in pain, and therefore pay a BUPA/PPP top up (after taxes!) in case some help is required quickly. Despite paying National Insurance that was supposed to cover health services they go to private dentist, as there is no other sort any more, and a private optician. Their kids costs hundreds every year on just those things.

They drive ordinary family vehicles - not new, a few years old - because they need to move the 2.4 kids around and, until recently, would have been charged the princely sum of £450 a year for the privelige.

In some areas, despite paying £2K in "Council Tax", they have to pay extra to have their rubbish taken away. If they put the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin (little Jonny is only five so he does get it wrong sometimes) they are fined and given a criminal record despite their best intentions. If they want their garden waste taken away in summer this also costs extra.

I think it's these people the politicians are talking about. You know - the ones whose job it is to pay. For everything.
Spot on!

Jasandjules

72,589 posts

258 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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Sadly all too accurate.

E31Shrew

5,963 posts

221 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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Don said:
oyster said:
What on earth is a hard working family?
The conventional meaning would appear to be two adults, one male, one female, with 2.4 children. One adult works full time. The other at least part-time and possibly full time as well.

They recieve the square root of feck all in benefits and their tax credits are so hard to claim and require the disclosure of so much personal information for about £100 a year they don't bother.

Their kids go to state schools, except where they are so st they somehow find £6K to £10k a year (after taxes!) to pay for private education. Their kids, when they do go on to further education, will rack up debts of £20K just paying for it.

They go to NHS health facilities, except when they can't be bothered to see you for six months despite the fact you are in pain, and therefore pay a BUPA/PPP top up (after taxes!) in case some help is required quickly. Despite paying National Insurance that was supposed to cover health services they go to private dentist, as there is no other sort any more, and a private optician. Their kids costs hundreds every year on just those things.

They drive ordinary family vehicles - not new, a few years old - because they need to move the 2.4 kids around and, until recently, would have been charged the princely sum of £450 a year for the privelige.

In some areas, despite paying £2K in "Council Tax", they have to pay extra to have their rubbish taken away. If they put the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin (little Jonny is only five so he does get it wrong sometimes) they are fined and given a criminal record despite their best intentions. If they want their garden waste taken away in summer this also costs extra.

I think it's these people the politicians are talking about. You know - the ones whose job it is to pay. For everything.
Have you been reading my diary? Do have an extra .6 of a kid though!

mechsympathy

58,642 posts

284 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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Don said:
Stuff about middle England
cryThat's so depressingly true.

jonboy996

102 posts

247 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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Spot on Don!!!

Orb the Impaler

1,881 posts

219 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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sleep envy said:
Simpo Two said:
People without children seem to be cash/tax cows
EFA
fking too right mad

Next up is that stupid legislation whereby people who have got kids are allowed flexitime. Guess what that's going to mean: people without kids will have to cover all the stty hours. mad

Next place I go to I'm going to lie and say I've got kids to take advantage of this. I'm going to invent ficticious and fabulous exam results and have him with an IQ of 192 just to annoy other parents (there's not much worse than someone blowing off how clever their kid is).

jackal

11,251 posts

311 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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oyster said:
This phrase has appeared in the last few years, I suspect put into the lexicon by a NuLabia spin doctor. But it's now being used by the other parties too. WTF is it all about?
What on earth is a hard working family? Or do they just mean average family but feel this might hurt their feelings?
family without 2 or more buy to lets