Making a start in life - when you've got very little - how?
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I count myself as being quite privileged in that I have no major worries in life, a roof over my head, stable family and enough money.
Recently, some areas of my work have exposed me to people who for one reason or another, have had a hard time of life when younger and made sacrifices to support other members of their family.
So, talking hypothetically, if you could read and write but had zero in the way of qualifications and opportunities, what does the state offer in the way of aid to help people pick themself up, dust themself off, and get some qualifications/training to set them up to actually get a job?
(Yes, I am so removed from this with dealing with well qualified, professional people, that I have to ask this on a public forum as I have no idea where to direct such people!).
Recently, some areas of my work have exposed me to people who for one reason or another, have had a hard time of life when younger and made sacrifices to support other members of their family.
So, talking hypothetically, if you could read and write but had zero in the way of qualifications and opportunities, what does the state offer in the way of aid to help people pick themself up, dust themself off, and get some qualifications/training to set them up to actually get a job?
(Yes, I am so removed from this with dealing with well qualified, professional people, that I have to ask this on a public forum as I have no idea where to direct such people!).
How long does it take to go from greay oik on the till at McDonalds to becoming a manager? I'd have thought with the staff turn over it wouldn't be all that long. And from there into another retail management role somewhere a bit classier? Maybe somewhere that will provide training and qualifications? Go upward from there.
blindswelledrat said:
As far as I am concerned almost anyone can get a job in a supermarket stacking shelves.
Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I do believe Tesco's and their ilk, have turned down many a shelf stacker applicant. Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I'm sure people who have held fairly high positions in life have been refused.
So why should they take on a non qualified scrote.
69 coupe said:
blindswelledrat said:
As far as I am concerned almost anyone can get a job in a supermarket stacking shelves.
Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I do believe Tesco's and their ilk, have turned down many a shelf stacker applicant. Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I'm sure people who have held fairly high positions in life have been refused.
So why should they take on a non qualified scrote.
If I had arrived at adulthood without qualifications I'm not sure I'd bother trying to get any. I'd show some determination as a grafter, show some 'common sense' and a good attitude and become a trusted and reliable employee.
Such people are like gold dust these days; everyone thinks the world owes them a living.
Such people are like gold dust these days; everyone thinks the world owes them a living.
69 coupe said:
blindswelledrat said:
As far as I am concerned almost anyone can get a job in a supermarket stacking shelves.
Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I do believe Tesco's and their ilk, have turned down many a shelf stacker applicant. Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I'm sure people who have held fairly high positions in life have been refused.
So why should they take on a non qualified scrote.
Its true. b
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MK4 Slowride said:
69 coupe said:
blindswelledrat said:
As far as I am concerned almost anyone can get a job in a supermarket stacking shelves.
Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I do believe Tesco's and their ilk, have turned down many a shelf stacker applicant. Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I'm sure people who have held fairly high positions in life have been refused.
So why should they take on a non qualified scrote.
Edited by esselte on Thursday 27th November 15:54
MK4 Slowride said:
69 coupe said:
blindswelledrat said:
As far as I am concerned almost anyone can get a job in a supermarket stacking shelves.
Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I do believe Tesco's and their ilk, have turned down many a shelf stacker applicant. Once there what you do is entirely up to you but what is certainly the case is the fact that it is easier to get a better job once in a job.
I'm sure people who have held fairly high positions in life have been refused.
So why should they take on a non qualified scrote.
Lots on PH say they would take a job shelf stacking, but in truth that option will not be available to them.
Same with picking fruit/veg, how many recently made redundant will go to the fields, I suspect not many.
In a sense as the OP said, if your just starting out with naff-all quals probably easier.
Edited by 69 coupe on Thursday 27th November 15:55
I work in adult education and there is masses of help out there for people who have the self respect to get off their ass and take it. Government funds a LOT of below level 2 qualification which is definitely more than you need for most minimum wage jobs, examples on literacy and numeracy plus we used to fund ECDL, BFH, First Aid etc, depending what type of work they want volunteering before hand i.e. childcare can grant you access to masses of free training if volunteering. Does however often have a criteria on location, deprived areas will almost always have this funding. The OU and other colleges also have eligibility for low wages supported funding. Failing training then going in to volunteering is always a great way to get into a lot of jobs.
Places to look for these things, Job Centres, access centre, any out reach or neighbourhood type project.
There is also often funding for childcare as well these days. If they have kids then going to SureStart can grant you access to an AWFUL lot of funded support.
Places to look for these things, Job Centres, access centre, any out reach or neighbourhood type project.
There is also often funding for childcare as well these days. If they have kids then going to SureStart can grant you access to an AWFUL lot of funded support.
V8mate said:
If I had arrived at adulthood without qualifications I'm not sure I'd bother trying to get any. I'd show some determination as a grafter, show some 'common sense' and a good attitude and become a trusted and reliable employee.
Such people are like gold dust these days; everyone thinks the world owes them a living.
+1Such people are like gold dust these days; everyone thinks the world owes them a living.
I managed well enough leaving school with no qualifications. If I wanted it then I worked until I got it.
TUS 373 said:
I count myself as being quite privileged in that I have no major worries in life, a roof over my head, stable family and enough money.
Recently, some areas of my work have exposed me to people who for one reason or another, have had a hard time of life when younger and made sacrifices to support other members of their family.
So, talking hypothetically, if you could read and write but had zero in the way of qualifications and opportunities, what does the state offer in the way of aid to help people pick themself up, dust themself off, and get some qualifications/training to set them up to actually get a job?
(Yes, I am so removed from this with dealing with well qualified, professional people, that I have to ask this on a public forum as I have no idea where to direct such people!).
The thing to do is to talk to the government, and try to help them yourself. Clearly your ability to do this is solely dependent on your level of privilege.Recently, some areas of my work have exposed me to people who for one reason or another, have had a hard time of life when younger and made sacrifices to support other members of their family.
So, talking hypothetically, if you could read and write but had zero in the way of qualifications and opportunities, what does the state offer in the way of aid to help people pick themself up, dust themself off, and get some qualifications/training to set them up to actually get a job?
(Yes, I am so removed from this with dealing with well qualified, professional people, that I have to ask this on a public forum as I have no idea where to direct such people!).
There are some useful things I could say on this subject, but not here, it's not worth the grief. None of my attitudes on this matter fit the normal stereotypes so I'm in for too much of a hiding. No place worse than "on the fence".
Edited by dilbert on Thursday 27th November 16:08
I had a pretty bad childhood. Dad always drunk, beat mum up a fair bit, both went to prison. In care for most of my childhood, which meant I didnt see my borthers and sisters a great deal. Went to school, acted like a tt and left with no qualifications (could have something to do with the fact I didnt go a school a huge deal for reasons stated above)
Now? 27yo, networking engineer for pretty large multi-national company, earning over 40k, engaged to wonderful OH (most of the time). Nice car and house, and good relationship with brothers/sisters and Mum
My first job was when I was 17 earning 3k a year. I worked hard, made some mistakes of course. But in 10 years im pretty happy with where I am. ultimately, and I know its a cliche, but generally speaking you can get to where you wanna be (within reason) if you work hard
t and left with no qualifications (could have something to do with the fact I didnt go a school a huge deal for reasons stated above)Now? 27yo, networking engineer for pretty large multi-national company, earning over 40k, engaged to wonderful OH (most of the time). Nice car and house, and good relationship with brothers/sisters and Mum
My first job was when I was 17 earning 3k a year. I worked hard, made some mistakes of course. But in 10 years im pretty happy with where I am. ultimately, and I know its a cliche, but generally speaking you can get to where you wanna be (within reason) if you work hard
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