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OK, I can see a new set of boots being required in the very near future for my E92 M3 running on 19" stock rims. The tyres are Michelin Pilot Sport but are of the run flat variety.
It may be just me but I'm not keen on the current tyres from a ride and grip point of view. I'm at the point that when the rears wear out I'll replace the lot with something else.
Can anyone offer real world advice on what they've put on their E92 M3 and are there known issues with the standard tyres?
Cheers,
GoM
It may be just me but I'm not keen on the current tyres from a ride and grip point of view. I'm at the point that when the rears wear out I'll replace the lot with something else.
Can anyone offer real world advice on what they've put on their E92 M3 and are there known issues with the standard tyres?
Cheers,
GoM
I collected my spanky new one on Tuesday. 
Its shod with Sport Cup + which I beleve are the latest OEM tyres.
How many miles did yiou get from yopur current ones ?.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/more/news-...
Its shod with Sport Cup + which I beleve are the latest OEM tyres.
How many miles did yiou get from yopur current ones ?.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/more/news-...
Hi guys,
I've braved the cold and there's actually quite a bit left on the rears but I'm just finding rear grip lacking and the drive a bit 'crashy' even on normal mode on the EDC. I'm not doing traffic light racing or anything but the suckers just don't seem to want to stick to the road and spin under light load.
The car's done 7,800 miles but I'd rather get some new boots if someone can tell me that changing to something else will sort it. I will put my hands up and say I might be wrong about them being run-flats but they are the most non sticky tyres/strange drive I've ever experienced on any car. In fact my CSL with the uprated Cup tyres stuck to the road better in the wet.
However in the dry with the M mode on and everything set to 'kick ass' mode it seems OK.
Any advice on the tyre options is appreciated.
Cheers,
GoM
I've braved the cold and there's actually quite a bit left on the rears but I'm just finding rear grip lacking and the drive a bit 'crashy' even on normal mode on the EDC. I'm not doing traffic light racing or anything but the suckers just don't seem to want to stick to the road and spin under light load.
The car's done 7,800 miles but I'd rather get some new boots if someone can tell me that changing to something else will sort it. I will put my hands up and say I might be wrong about them being run-flats but they are the most non sticky tyres/strange drive I've ever experienced on any car. In fact my CSL with the uprated Cup tyres stuck to the road better in the wet.
However in the dry with the M mode on and everything set to 'kick ass' mode it seems OK.
Any advice on the tyre options is appreciated.
Cheers,
GoM
Hi Overhaulin,
Hope you're enjoying the new toy. How are you finding it?
The link you provided for the PS Cups has a release date of Nov 2007 which means I would have thought my car should have them on. My car's a late December 2007 reg but it may have just missed out.
I've checked again and the tyres are actually Pilot Sport (PS2) tyres and the pressures are as they should be.
Never had this on a car before... and I've had a few.
GoM
Hope you're enjoying the new toy. How are you finding it?
The link you provided for the PS Cups has a release date of Nov 2007 which means I would have thought my car should have them on. My car's a late December 2007 reg but it may have just missed out.
I've checked again and the tyres are actually Pilot Sport (PS2) tyres and the pressures are as they should be.
Never had this on a car before... and I've had a few.
GoM
I must admit I was surprised they were PS2's as I've had these on cars before without any problems. The only difference is that they are the "extra load" varient which I've not had before. I'm going to have a play with the tyre presures and see how it goes.
It's due for a service around 9K so I'll mention it then but I won't hold my breath getting any intelligent feedback from the dealership.
Failing that perhaps I could stop being a big girls blouse and learn how to drive...
One last question: Is anyone else with an E92 M3 running the 'PS2 extra load' tyres or are they normal ones?
It's due for a service around 9K so I'll mention it then but I won't hold my breath getting any intelligent feedback from the dealership.
Failing that perhaps I could stop being a big girls blouse and learn how to drive...
One last question: Is anyone else with an E92 M3 running the 'PS2 extra load' tyres or are they normal ones?
GameOverMan! said:
OK, I can see a new set of boots being required in the very near future for my E92 M3 running on 19" stock rims. The tyres are Michelin Pilot Sport but are of the run flat variety.
Hold on, you sure they are run flats??They certainly shouldn't be and if they are you need to get them swapped over, no M car should be wearing run flats and that would cause teh back end to skip out on anything but the smoothest of corners.
[quote=gizlaroc] Hold on, you sure they are run flats??
I originally thought they might be run flats. This is because the tyre pressure monitor went off when I was on the motorway in the outside lane. I pulled over onto the hard shoulder and checked the tyres but couldn't see anything wrong, so took it to the dealership to get the tyres checked just in case. Their comment was that the tyres were fine but it was hard to tell (visually) if there is a problem with run flats when they puncture.
I made the mistake of listening to this and thought this may be why the rears arn't too grippy even at low speeds/light acceleration due to them being stiffer. However I've been checking on the Michelin website and the tyres have no markings to indicate they are actually run flat tyres as far as I can tell.
I think the way forward is to play with the tyre pressures a bit more and stop listening to the nuggets at the dealership. Don't know why I did this time because I don't usually....
Thanks for the replies gents. If anyone has any other ideas feel free to share them.
I originally thought they might be run flats. This is because the tyre pressure monitor went off when I was on the motorway in the outside lane. I pulled over onto the hard shoulder and checked the tyres but couldn't see anything wrong, so took it to the dealership to get the tyres checked just in case. Their comment was that the tyres were fine but it was hard to tell (visually) if there is a problem with run flats when they puncture.
I made the mistake of listening to this and thought this may be why the rears arn't too grippy even at low speeds/light acceleration due to them being stiffer. However I've been checking on the Michelin website and the tyres have no markings to indicate they are actually run flat tyres as far as I can tell.
I think the way forward is to play with the tyre pressures a bit more and stop listening to the nuggets at the dealership. Don't know why I did this time because I don't usually....
Thanks for the replies gents. If anyone has any other ideas feel free to share them.
The PS2's I had were not runflats.
I wonder if its just enviromental, you know winter conditions ??. I always felt they great tyres in the dry and good in the wet but not so sure in greasy, damp conditions.
I know some guys on Mtorque were taken with Falken 451 or 452, they felt they gave as much grip as PS2's but were harder wearing.
Sorry I cant add anymore.
I wonder if its just enviromental, you know winter conditions ??. I always felt they great tyres in the dry and good in the wet but not so sure in greasy, damp conditions.
I know some guys on Mtorque were taken with Falken 451 or 452, they felt they gave as much grip as PS2's but were harder wearing.
Sorry I cant add anymore.
GameOverMan! said:
The car's done 7,800 miles but I'd rather get some new boots if someone can tell me that changing to something else will sort it. I will put my hands up and say I might be wrong about them being run-flats but they are the most non sticky tyres/strange drive I've ever experienced on any car. In fact my CSL with the uprated Cup tyres stuck to the road better in the wet.
However in the dry with the M mode on and everything set to 'kick ass' mode it seems OK.
Any advice on the tyre options is appreciated.
Cheers,
GoM
You'd have about 5.000 miles more to go if you're not too hard on them.However in the dry with the M mode on and everything set to 'kick ass' mode it seems OK.
Any advice on the tyre options is appreciated.
Cheers,
GoM
I've just changed mine, they had exactly 19.000 kms.
I wanted to choose something a bit larger, as you know the 19'' rims leave some uncovered space for something around 275 or maybe 290, but after looking at different choices i decided to go to the very same Michelin tire and same size.
BTW, I've painted the wheels matt black, they look the business with the alpine weiss paint scheme with carbon roof combination...
Edited by panic on Friday 28th November 21:00
PS2s on E92 M3 categorically are NOT runflats.
My car was collected in October 07 with PS2s and I did 17k miles on them and rated them very highly. Grippy, good in the wet and wore evenly (all 4 had to be changed at the same time as the inner edges were very thin, but a good durability show, I thought)
I changed for the cup+ tyres (note, these ARE NOT the same as the items fitted to a CSL) which come with about 2.5mm less tread depth than the PS2s. They have done another 8K miles and are wearing well with probably another 3-4K miles left in them. The dry grip is very good and the tyre is nice and progressive on the limit. Damp conditions are fine, but with the tred depth now only about 3mm, standing water causes some nervoisness.
So, when I change the tyres again, I will be buying the PS2s. Very little difference in grip, but much more confidence inspiring down a wet and dark A road at speed...
The cost difference per set is about £50. Do not buy them from a BMW dealer.. Someone like Elite tyres, Simply or Micheldever are miles cheaper.
My car was collected in October 07 with PS2s and I did 17k miles on them and rated them very highly. Grippy, good in the wet and wore evenly (all 4 had to be changed at the same time as the inner edges were very thin, but a good durability show, I thought)
I changed for the cup+ tyres (note, these ARE NOT the same as the items fitted to a CSL) which come with about 2.5mm less tread depth than the PS2s. They have done another 8K miles and are wearing well with probably another 3-4K miles left in them. The dry grip is very good and the tyre is nice and progressive on the limit. Damp conditions are fine, but with the tred depth now only about 3mm, standing water causes some nervoisness.
So, when I change the tyres again, I will be buying the PS2s. Very little difference in grip, but much more confidence inspiring down a wet and dark A road at speed...
The cost difference per set is about £50. Do not buy them from a BMW dealer.. Someone like Elite tyres, Simply or Micheldever are miles cheaper.
GameOverMan! said:
Hi guys,
I've braved the cold and there's actually quite a bit left on the rears but I'm just finding rear grip lacking and the drive a bit 'crashy' even on normal mode on the EDC. I'm not doing traffic light racing or anything but the suckers just don't seem to want to stick to the road and spin under light load.
The car's done 7,800 miles but I'd rather get some new boots if someone can tell me that changing to something else will sort it. I will put my hands up and say I might be wrong about them being run-flats but they are the most non sticky tyres/strange drive I've ever experienced on any car. In fact my CSL with the uprated Cup tyres stuck to the road better in the wet.
However in the dry with the M mode on and everything set to 'kick ass' mode it seems OK.
Any advice on the tyre options is appreciated.
Cheers,
GoM
Try lowering the pressures by 5psi or so. Will improve the grip and ride.I've braved the cold and there's actually quite a bit left on the rears but I'm just finding rear grip lacking and the drive a bit 'crashy' even on normal mode on the EDC. I'm not doing traffic light racing or anything but the suckers just don't seem to want to stick to the road and spin under light load.
The car's done 7,800 miles but I'd rather get some new boots if someone can tell me that changing to something else will sort it. I will put my hands up and say I might be wrong about them being run-flats but they are the most non sticky tyres/strange drive I've ever experienced on any car. In fact my CSL with the uprated Cup tyres stuck to the road better in the wet.
However in the dry with the M mode on and everything set to 'kick ass' mode it seems OK.
Any advice on the tyre options is appreciated.
Cheers,
GoM
Overhaulin said:
I collected my spanky new one on Tuesday.
Its shod with Sport Cup + which I beleve are the latest OEM tyres.
How many miles did yiou get from yopur current ones ?.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/more/news-...
More than happy to meet up and spank your M3 with my RS4, LOL Its shod with Sport Cup + which I beleve are the latest OEM tyres.
How many miles did yiou get from yopur current ones ?.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/more/news-...
Andyuk911 said:
Overhaulin said:
I collected my spanky new one on Tuesday.
Its shod with Sport Cup + which I beleve are the latest OEM tyres.
How many miles did yiou get from yopur current ones ?.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/more/news-...
More than happy to meet up and spank your M3 with my RS4, LOL Its shod with Sport Cup + which I beleve are the latest OEM tyres.
How many miles did yiou get from yopur current ones ?.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/more/news-...
Ask Housemaster how much more power my E92 made on the rollers than his RS4?
Hint: It was was over 45bhp...
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Try lowering the pressures by 5psi or so. Will improve the grip and ride.
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I must admit I was thinking of a reduction of 2-3 PSI but 5 PSI seems quite a lot. What presures are you running front and rear?
Don't worry, I never buy tyres from the dealerships. Learnt that lesson a long time ago when I was buying tyres for my SL55 AMG. I use MotorSport Wheels in Leeds - massive difference in price. They may not have a fancy place to drink coffee but the prices are vastly lower.
I'd best go clean the car, it's more grey than black at the moment.
GameOverMan! said:
I must admit I was thinking of a reduction of 2-3 PSI but 5 PSI seems quite a lot. What presures are you running front and rear?
Don't worry, I never buy tyres from the dealerships. Learnt that lesson a long time ago when I was buying tyres for my SL55 AMG. I use MotorSport Wheels in Leeds - massive difference in price. They may not have a fancy place to drink coffee but the prices are vastly lower.
I'd best go clean the car, it's more grey than black at the moment.
I run at 36 all roundDon't worry, I never buy tyres from the dealerships. Learnt that lesson a long time ago when I was buying tyres for my SL55 AMG. I use MotorSport Wheels in Leeds - massive difference in price. They may not have a fancy place to drink coffee but the prices are vastly lower.
I'd best go clean the car, it's more grey than black at the moment.
Edited by phatgixer on Saturday 29th November 14:22
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