RE: Car Jacking Warnings
Monday 4th February 2002
Car Jacking Warnings
Violent car theft is on the increase in London
Discussion
Blunkett has spoken...car jackers can expect to be severely punished.See http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1799000/1799781.stm
Unfortunately, the Police will have to get off their backsides and actually catch someone first
Unfortunately, the Police will have to get off their backsides and actually catch someone first
Police advice :
- Drive with doors locked
- Stay in car after collision
- Go to police station if other driver is aggressive
- Don't drive poncey cars - We can't afford them so why should you have them?
How will the above square with 'leaving the scene of an accident'? Will it mean everyone will be queueing up at copshops to report accidents because no-one will exchange details.. ?
- Drive with doors locked
- Stay in car after collision
- Go to police station if other driver is aggressive
- Don't drive poncey cars - We can't afford them so why should you have them?
How will the above square with 'leaving the scene of an accident'? Will it mean everyone will be queueing up at copshops to report accidents because no-one will exchange details.. ?
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How will the above square with 'leaving the scene of an accident'? Will it mean everyone will be queueing up at copshops to report accidents because no-one will exchange details.. ?
thats a damn good point!! I guess we'll find out when this first gets used as an excuse and gets into the paper.
quote:I believe that comes under "possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear" or some such..
So here's a hypothetical question I have toyed with. I have a blank firing replica gun - fully realistic. If I keep it in the car for "Car Jacking" defense, what laws am I braking ?
Complete arse of course, but there it is..
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So here's a hypothetical question I have toyed with. I have a blank firing replica gun - fully realistic. If I keep it in the car for "Car Jacking" defense, what laws am I braking ?
You could possibly get nailed for Assault with a deadly weapon. That it is not a deadly weapon is not a problem, as it is the 'perception' of the intended 'victim' i.e the scumbag that tries to nick your car.
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The law probably offers more protection to the low life gimp than your good tax paying self. I think if someone points a gun / knife at you then any form of self defence should be acceptable.
As the current law stands you can use 'like for like' force, as long as it is reasonable. If someone does pull a knife, you can use a knife on them.
I agree with you that you ought to be able to use whatever force required in order to defend yourself, but the lovely courts do not agree at this point in time. The South Africa solution I would enjoy using.
. Real defence.... Hopefully Westfieldseven will give us a more upto date legal perspective as mine is 4 years old !!
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The South Africa solution I would enjoy using.
Are you refering the use of 8foot flame throwers that exit below the two front doors and bascially torching the intented car-jacker that the (SA) police approve the use of.
If only they would let us use them here.
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How will the above square with 'leaving the scene of an accident'? Will it mean everyone will be queueing up at copshops to report accidents because no-one will exchange details.. ?
thats a damn good point!! I guess we'll find out when this first gets used as an excuse and gets into the paper.
If I remember correctly, and this is based on receiving court summons for not reporting and not stopping at the scene of an accident (I ran over someones foot not realising it), that if you report an accident within an acceptable time then the not stopping bit can be waived.
or how about that glass they were on about a number o years ago its made outa the same stuff for jet canopies in planes totaly unbreakable and for people on pistonheads its an ideal soloution for high speed mach 2 + drivers on here anyone tried to nik my car i,d make sure they took the mother inlaw with em! mind you they wouldnt take the car then would they 
anyone tried to nik my car i,d make sure they took the mother inlaw with em! mind you they wouldnt take the car then would they 
I reckon it should be okay. If you were something like 5'8, small built and were attacked by say a big built guy 6'3 even if he didn't have a knife you could use a weapon. Law says that you must use reasonable force (in a way 'Like for Like') but states that it is a subjective test as to what is like for like. i.e. The small guy can use the weapon.
Also you don't actually need to be attacked to use the weapon, the mere threat is enough (i.e. you can't use an airgun to shoot a bloke standing 60 yards away who is saying he is going to kill you, who is himself unarmed).
Although whether one would get away with this sort of behaviour would depend their solicitor and exact circumstances and strongly on the jury (if it gets that serious). Considering that the jury are just normal people they are likely to have more sympathy to the self defender.
Sounds like I am trying to encourage this sort of thing doesn't it. In a perfect world you could do that and then the criminals would think twice about it!
seriously though, hopefully no one will have to experience that kind of situation.
Also you don't actually need to be attacked to use the weapon, the mere threat is enough (i.e. you can't use an airgun to shoot a bloke standing 60 yards away who is saying he is going to kill you, who is himself unarmed).
Although whether one would get away with this sort of behaviour would depend their solicitor and exact circumstances and strongly on the jury (if it gets that serious). Considering that the jury are just normal people they are likely to have more sympathy to the self defender.
Sounds like I am trying to encourage this sort of thing doesn't it. In a perfect world you could do that and then the criminals would think twice about it!
seriously though, hopefully no one will have to experience that kind of situation.
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