do you need planning permission
do you need planning permission
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funinthesun

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1,170 posts

294 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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For a new window opening?

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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If it's overlooking a neighbours property in any way then yes, if not you may get away with just building regs.

funinthesun

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1,170 posts

294 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Nearest visible neighbour is about 3 miles away, but technically we do overlook them. wink

Ladvr6

180 posts

214 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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funinthesun said:
Nearest visible neighbour is about 3 miles away, but technically we do overlook them. wink
As above, you should be alright with building regs.

G-Rich

216 posts

243 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Sometimes if the appearance of the house from the street is altered this can cause a problem. Again, check with building regs...

Edited by G-Rich on Monday 1st December 16:41

s3fella

10,524 posts

216 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Strange, round our way you can add a window that faces a neighbour, but not one that faces the road, unless you get permission.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

278 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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s3fella said:
Strange, round our way you can add a window that faces a neighbour, but not one that faces the road, unless you get permission.
article 4 regs?

Blib

48,104 posts

226 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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funinthesun said:
Nearest visible neighbour is about 3 miles away, but technically we do overlook them. wink
Three miles away?

Where do you live? When are you likely to be out next?

Busamav

2,954 posts

237 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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First you will need to ensure that pd rights have not been removed from the property or that there are no onerous conditions applied to the planning approval , (Quite likely if it is a newish property )

Is the window to be on the side or the rear of the property .

BTW , planning law is national and not regional and there were substantial changes in permitted development October just gone .

Edited by Busamav on Monday 1st December 18:31

ZR1cliff

17,999 posts

278 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Always worth a call to the local council just incase. You know how self important they can get if they *can* catch you out.

Sam_68

9,939 posts

274 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Busamav said:
First you will need to ensure that pd rights have not been removed from the property...
Or that they exist in the first place... the property has no Permitted Development rights if it's in a Conservation Area or is Listed.

If in doubt, ask your local Planning Department (and if they give you an opinion verbally, make sure you record the date and time of the conversation and the Planning Officer's name.

Busamav

2,954 posts

237 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Sam_68 said:
Busamav said:
First you will need to ensure that pd rights have not been removed from the property...
Or that they exist in the first place... the property has no Permitted Development rights if it's in a Conservation Area or is Listed.
nit pick smile

funinthesun

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294 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Blib said:
funinthesun said:
Nearest visible neighbour is about 3 miles away, but technically we do overlook them. wink
Three miles away?

Where do you live? When are you likely to be out next?
in a field... in devon...


and we have a big rabid dog...;) and the cat can give a pretty mean sideways look sometimes... and the chickens can give you a real sharp peck if your not caeful either..... but its the guard goose you really have to watch...


unfortunately the PD rights were removed as part of the original poanning approval.. THE BARSTEWARDS..



Edited by funinthesun on Monday 1st December 19:25

Nolar Dog

8,786 posts

224 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Can someone explain this please:

If someone (let's call him the OP) was to go ahead and put in the window without building regs. or PP what would happen?

Assuming (as nearest neighbour is 3 miles away) that he's in a rural area and no-one is likely to complain about or even notice an extra window why not just fit it and if/when it comes to it, apply for retrospective PP?


25 JET

379 posts

263 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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PD rights will not always let you put a window in and I assumed Building regs would only apply for an upstairs window that had to meet fire regs, 450 wide etc, If the Planners refuse a Retrospective application you then take it to written reps or full hearing to have your case heard by a planning inspectorate, or apply now for the window with your local authority, Id personally chance my luck and put the window in but making a note with your solicitor if you were to ever sell the property make sure it has been noted somewhere. P.S Written reps is alot cheaper than a full hearing but I guess you wouldnt have any issues if you put in for full planning, Ive just gone through this process with a down stairs window not overlooking any one but the house happens to be opposite the local village hall and some old busy body parish councellor informed the local authority..! Long story short it got approved first time round but cost afew extra quid.

Pupp

12,953 posts

301 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Nolar Dog said:
Can someone explain this please:

If someone (let's call him the OP) was to go ahead and put in the window without building regs. or PP what would happen?

Assuming (as nearest neighbour is 3 miles away) that he's in a rural area and no-one is likely to complain about or even notice an extra window why not just fit it and if/when it comes to it, apply for retrospective PP?
Do it, photograph it with a current newspaper or some other dated reference in frame, and if you get four years down the line from then without any formal action, it's immune from being enforced against.

If it does get picked up inside the time limit, the LPA will make an assessment of whether it is 'expedient' to enforce (a sort of public interest test turning on the planning harm caused, they don't *have* to enforce). If deemed expedient, an enforcement notice is the most likely consequence, which will require steps to be taken to put things right but they may simply invite a planning application initially if there's enough time left and it's relatively benign. At this point you can appeal and the appeal will enable planning consent to be sought retrospectively (you pay twice the normal fee however). The key is not to ignore the EN as things can (and do) get heavy from that point. Fines up to £20,000, injunctions, and entry upon your property to do the work at your cost to their spec. Planning and Building Control are entirely separate regimes.

s3fella

10,524 posts

216 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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sleep envy said:
s3fella said:
Strange, round our way you can add a window that faces a neighbour, but not one that faces the road, unless you get permission.
article 4 regs?
All such work would be done on a building note accourding to our planning office, but if the window faces the street, it is full planning.

Busamav

2,954 posts

237 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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25 JET said:
PD rights will not always let you put a window in and I assumed Building regs would only apply for an upstairs window that had to meet fire regs, 450 wide etc,
you would still need building regs for a new window regardless of whether it is ground or first , for the lintel and also a possible consideration for un protected areas .

Cafe Racer

166 posts

214 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Nolar Dog said:
Can someone explain this please:

If someone (let's call him the OP) was to go ahead and put in the window without building regs. or PP what would happen?

Assuming (as nearest neighbour is 3 miles away) that he's in a rural area and no-one is likely to complain about or even notice an extra window why not just fit it and if/when it comes to it, apply for retrospective PP?
With a window, Building Regs is checked once it is installed. All they w ould do is ensure it's fixed appropriately and installed correctly.

If you carry out ANY notifiable work without regs approval it is technically an illegal build and is therfore at the owner's own risk. If a problem is found it is the fault and liability of the owner to put right (or live with) until apporval is given.

If it is a more substantial build, say an unlicensed extension, then don't be supprised or annoyed if the Building Inspector requests you to expose (drill through, pull plaster off, dig out etc) an aspect of construction to check it has been done in accordance with the regs and other legally binding documents.

Nolar Dog

8,786 posts

224 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Thanks Pupp. smile