Police car setting bad example?
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I saw about 6 months ago a police patrol car at traffic lights in the centre of my City roll over the line while the lights were on red!!, the car then proceeded to go ahead when the lights changed to amber!, should I have noted the registration number and reported the incident or are the Police immune to traffic laws
my wife was with me at the time and suggested I should just forget it! which I did, but if I had reported the incident would I have been laughed out of the station?
the point I am trying to make here is are the Police above the law?
my wife was with me at the time and suggested I should just forget it! which I did, but if I had reported the incident would I have been laughed out of the station?
the point I am trying to make here is are the Police above the law?
policemen have got enough red tape and rubbish to deal with so id go with your wife on this one. can you imagine if you were pulled for such an utterly minor indescretion? or even worse, can you imagine if the police threw the book at you every chance they got? a little tolerance makes life easier for all concerned.
safetyfirst said:
I saw about 6 months ago a police patrol car at traffic lights in the centre of my City roll over the line while the lights were on red!!, the car then proceeded to go ahead when the lights changed to amber!, should I have noted the registration number and reported the incident
If its 6 months since you last saw something as trivial as that then the Police cant be doing toooo bad!
Maybe he had just got the doughnuts for the boys back at the station and he was trying to get them back before they went cold.
Now just imagine if he hadn't, every copper in that station would have been
for the rest of the day, and could have pulled you for a 'minor indescretion' AKA an 'I'm pissed off cos my doughnut wasn't fresh so I'm gonna take it out on you'.
Now just imagine if he hadn't, every copper in that station would have been
for the rest of the day, and could have pulled you for a 'minor indescretion' AKA an 'I'm pissed off cos my doughnut wasn't fresh so I'm gonna take it out on you'.tonyrec said:
I saw about 6 months ago a police patrol car at traffic lights in the centre of my City roll over the line while the lights were on red!!, the car then proceeded to go ahead when the lights changed to amber!, should I have noted the registration number and reported the incident
If its 6 months since you last saw something as trivial as that then the Police cant be doing toooo bad!
one of em still ows me a wing mirror.
paolow said:
policemen have got enough red tape and rubbish to deal with so id go with your wife on this one. can you imagine if you were pulled for such an utterly minor indescretion? or even worse, can you imagine if the police threw the book at you every chance they got? a little tolerance makes life easier for all concerned.
(Disclaimer : The following rant is NOT aimed at individual police officers but the whole system in general)
They dont give us any f
king tolorance so why should we give them any? They are agents of the system and until the system lets up on the motorists then the motorist is going to find fault whereever possible and exploit it. I would give a second thought at attempting to get a trafpol prosecuted on a minor traffic offence. NOTHING PERSONAL but its the way I think now due to the sheer stupidity of the speeding tickets I have recieved.
I wouldnt have bothered to notice any minor indisgressions from police before all this happened but now the laws are being over-enforced at the cost of others then I think its practically our duty to spot and report police and scamera operators doing these "abysmal" crimes of 33 in a 30 and so forth....
They cant have it both ways. Treat the motorists like shit and get no help back. Thats the way it is.
gh0st said:
They dont give us any f
You are wrong they DO give us tolerance, perhaps not as much as some people would like however. They have to power to use their discretion unlike the bloody speed cameras. How many times have you been pulled by a BIB for doing 80mph on a motorway?
gh0st said:
They dont give us any f
AMen! I've been done at 87 on a clear NSL in the middle of nowhere.
If the rozzers want tollerance thay should start showing some.
If I ever find I *can* cause a rozzer some difficulty, I will.
The traffic car I saw at eeek mph in a 50 would have been a good start if I'd been able to see his plate...
toad_oftoadhall said:
Speed cameras = rozzers.
Every NIP I've seen has a rozzer crest on it. QED.
Well there's devastatingly complete argument backed up by logical reasoning. Not.
You appear to be saying NIP=speed camera? Well, the Notice of Intended Prosecution is only related to a speed camera in that one is served if you get caught. However, NIP's are not only issued on the evidence of speed camera's I'm sure you'll agree.
The fact that a camera has a police crest on it dosen't alter the fact that the poxy things are run by civilian "safety partnership" operations who have the collective IQ of a slug, but with less common sense.
I guess by your argument you wouldn't mind if more trafpol were taken of the roads and replaced with scameras, being that they are the same thing?
Mr2Mike said:
They dont give us any f
You are wrong they DO give us tolerance, perhaps not as much as some people would like however. They have to power to use their discretion unlike the bloody speed cameras. How many times have you been pulled by a BIB for doing 80mph on a motorway?
indeed, this is my point. for an excellent example of police INtolerance, head to australia for a bit. lovely country, but the police there WILL do you for, say, 66 in an NSL. Can you imagine if the same happened over here? yes, if you travel a few mph too fast past a hidden officer with a laser you will get a nip, but thats not the officers choice. in this case their judgement has been removed from them and replaced by zero tolerance black letter law. perhaps your own experience of police officers differs from mine, but i have found them to be reasonable individuals, so i dont see the point in antagonising them. i wonder though, to what degree police change from place to place? perhaps councils setting targets for the officers is the reason for percieved differences in zealousness?
toad_oftoadhall said:
Speed cameras = rozzers.
Every NIP I've seen has a rozzer crest on it. QED.
Mr2Mike said:
Well there's devastatingly complete argument backed up by logical reasoning. Not.
The ticket is issued by the force. The police force that decided their number one priority for the day was to do me at 87 in a 70 had a whole department on speed enforcement. I can't see how I can provide any more evidence that the fact that the ticket is issued by the police. What more evidence do you need?
mr2mike said:
However, NIP's are not only issued on the evidence of speed camera's I'm sure you'll agree.
I bet the bulk of them are and all of the stupid ones.
mr2mike said:
The fact that a camera has a police crest on it dosen't alter the fact that the poxy things are run by civilian "safety partnership" operations who have the collective IQ of a slug, but with less common sense.
Police are involved.
>> Edited by toad_oftoadhall on Monday 13th October 11:15
I quite often (every few weeks) see a police car driving down a particular bus-lane, thus passing an approx 1/2 mile queue at rush hour. They never have sirens or lamps on.
This really winds me up as cameras have recently been installed to enforce the bus-lanes and you can be sure I'd get a fine if I used that lane.
Is this legal or should I take a photo next time?
This really winds me up as cameras have recently been installed to enforce the bus-lanes and you can be sure I'd get a fine if I used that lane.
Is this legal or should I take a photo next time?
This is a very interesting thread and one that i feel that i must respond to.
The level of tolerance that is the suybject of this thread is extremely low.
To put it another way, if i applied the same level of tolerance to motorists i would never get off the A406 in a tour of duty- FACT.
Just talking about speed.....77 on the Motorway is an offence, in fact 71 is an offence. This is not the normal prosecution speed because it would would be quite difficult to get a conviction but anything over the 10% is fair game.
Getting back to the Police car in the example, ive done this countless times but there has been a reason for it everytime- Justified,FACT!
As ive said before, Police vehicles by the very nature of the job, sometimes drive in a manner that the ill informed would think..."did you see that, what a prat". The truth is, this particular car could have been making discrete progress, nothing dramatic...as ive said its probably being done somewhere in the country as i write this.
I do find this type of thread a little tedious and very 17year old in interpretation (dont mean to offend) but when you stand back from it and think about exactly what is being said then it is extremely boring.
If, on the other side of the fence..the Police driver was not going anywhere and it was an example of bad driving then he should be advised accordingly.
To be honest, i wouldnt have the time to go to a Police Stn to complain, if you do then you must have plenty of time on your hands!
Next time you are out driving, apply the same principle to your own or other peoples driving....but dont lose count of offences that you see.
Please dont get into the Talivan frame of mind and apply a no discretion rule because as ive said, if Trafpols started that then it would be a sad day for all concerned.
Dont take any offence at what ive said, none was intended but at the end of the day we are all human, thank god!.
The level of tolerance that is the suybject of this thread is extremely low.
To put it another way, if i applied the same level of tolerance to motorists i would never get off the A406 in a tour of duty- FACT.
Just talking about speed.....77 on the Motorway is an offence, in fact 71 is an offence. This is not the normal prosecution speed because it would would be quite difficult to get a conviction but anything over the 10% is fair game.
Getting back to the Police car in the example, ive done this countless times but there has been a reason for it everytime- Justified,FACT!
As ive said before, Police vehicles by the very nature of the job, sometimes drive in a manner that the ill informed would think..."did you see that, what a prat". The truth is, this particular car could have been making discrete progress, nothing dramatic...as ive said its probably being done somewhere in the country as i write this.
I do find this type of thread a little tedious and very 17year old in interpretation (dont mean to offend) but when you stand back from it and think about exactly what is being said then it is extremely boring.
If, on the other side of the fence..the Police driver was not going anywhere and it was an example of bad driving then he should be advised accordingly.
To be honest, i wouldnt have the time to go to a Police Stn to complain, if you do then you must have plenty of time on your hands!
Next time you are out driving, apply the same principle to your own or other peoples driving....but dont lose count of offences that you see.
Please dont get into the Talivan frame of mind and apply a no discretion rule because as ive said, if Trafpols started that then it would be a sad day for all concerned.
Dont take any offence at what ive said, none was intended but at the end of the day we are all human, thank god!.
violebeauregard said:
I'm with gh0st - they should be setting an example, not expecting us to turn a blind eye to 'minor indiscretions'.
Sorry guys......I'm the opposite - they should accept that 'minor indiscretions' are to be ignored rather than expect blind, unquestioning and often unsafe obedience to an often ill-thought out set of rules dreamed up by those with other things intended than safety.
I know the BiB on here epitomise the discretionary nature of enforcement but in many places such as N Wales where I live Brunstrom's 'Gestapo' are actually BiB's, volunteers not civilian low lives, who follow the party line.
tonyrec said:
The truth is, this particular car could have been making discrete progress, nothing dramatic...as ive said its probably being done somewhere in the country as i write this.
I do find this type of thread a little tedious and very 17year old in interpretation (dont mean to offend) but when you stand back from it and think about exactly what is being said then it is extremely boring.
Please dont get into the Talivan frame of mind and apply a no discretion rule because as ive said, if Trafpols started that then it would be a sad day for all concerned.
I wouldn't have a problem with giving the police discretion if the system gave me some. If the police need to get somewhere then it's obviously sensible for them to use the bus lane.
However, the system allows me no discretion if I use that lane. The camera is located at the end of the bus-lane,literally 30 yds from a round-about at which most folks are turning right. This forces the likes of me who want to go straight on, to queue for half a mile every night. Before the bus lane, there never was a queue in the lane which the bus uses.
I'll just add that I'm much older than 17 and my view of the police / system since I was 17, has been very much diminished. (All too interested in catching me speeding but not interested in helping me).
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