Listed building application
Discussion
Anyone here ever applied to have a building or structure listed? There's an example of a structure near me, the last of it's kind in the area. It isn't in anyone's way and I'd rather it have legal protection so it doesn't get demolished or removed. It hasn't been modified or molested as far as I know, it looks to be in the same condition as it was 100 years ago, albeit a bit more rusty.
How long do these things take? I'm keen that the company next to it don't find out until the process is underway. I can't see it causing them a problem other than public access, as it's next to a river.
Are such things protected until the listed status is determined either way? What would happen if I made an application, someone found out about it, and damaged the building before a judgement had been made?
How long do these things take? I'm keen that the company next to it don't find out until the process is underway. I can't see it causing them a problem other than public access, as it's next to a river.
Are such things protected until the listed status is determined either way? What would happen if I made an application, someone found out about it, and damaged the building before a judgement had been made?
Edited by Parrot of Doom on Friday 5th December 15:17
Parrot of Doom said:
Are such things protected until the listed status is determined either way? What would happen if I made an application, someone found out about it, and damaged the building before a judgement had been made?
You've seen the Hoover building on the A40 right? Well there was another art deco building just nearby that the local council applied to have listed.
The meeting (which was a shoe in for passing the lisitng) was delayed due to a bank holiday.
On the bank holiday Monday the developer that owned the land (and wanted to build houses on it) started demolition works.
No point trying to list a building that is mostly rubble.....
ETA "The August bank holiday brought a nasty shock to conservationists in Brentford 25 years ago.
Over the weekend, the famous Firestone factory on the Great West Road was suddenly demolished.
Moves were afoot to protect the building through listing, and many at the time believed the demolition had been rushed through to circumvent such action.
The attractive factory was built in 1928. Firestone set up the plant to save the cost of shipping tyres from America to Britain.
One of the first purpose built new factories on the Great West Road, it was designed by Wallis, Gilbert and Brothers and built on what had been 26 acres of orchards.
The Art Deco frontage was set back from the road, with lawns in front and the company's sports ground to the west.
The building was a landmark of Brentford for 50 years, but eventually its fate was sealed by events across the Atlantic.
Firestone faltered in the 1970s with its steel-braced radial model 500 tyre, which was widely criticised on safety grounds and eventually withdrawn, plunging the company into millions of dollars of losses.
In November 1979 Firestone announced the closure of its Brentford plant and it shut its doors for the last time in February 1980, making 1,500 workers redundant.
In the last few weeks, a temporary job centre set up inside the factory succeeded in finding work for a third of the employees, a large proportion being taken on by London Transport.
The factory stayed empty for some months and was then sold to Trafalgar House. Hounslow Council and the Department of the Environment were both looking into listing the building.
However, the developers had other ideas and the impressive frontage was reduced to rubble over the August bank holiday weekend.
Conservationists complained that the Art Deco architectural features, such as the doorway mosaics, the Egyptian style entrance and the lamps, had been destroyed first, removing any possibility of salvage.
In the aftermath of the destruction, the council and DoE both blamed each other for failing to save the factory. Each authority said the other should have used emergency powers to prevent work starting.
At the time, Trafalgar House remained unrepentant, denying that the demolition had been hurried through to beat preservation measures.
Simon Jenkins, deputy chairman of the Thirties Society, commented: "If ever there was a building from the inter-war period of British architecture that should have been retained, it was this one."
The West Cross development was subsequently built on the site."
taken from:- http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/6...
Edited by scotal on Friday 5th December 15:24
That's what I'm worried about. The structure in question is only a few metres square and the land is of little value, I'm just slightly worried that the company nearby will just knock it over, rather than have the hassle of a listed building on their land.
As it is, its probably completely overgrown anyway. The only photograph I have of it is nearly 20 years old, and I don't want to go there because I might create suspicion.
As it is, its probably completely overgrown anyway. The only photograph I have of it is nearly 20 years old, and I don't want to go there because I might create suspicion.
Don't know the answer to the original question, but what I do now know and only recently found out is that one benefit of having your house listed, is that any work which requires listed buildings consent is zero rated for VAT.
Rather handy when your house is and you are altering it!
Also, from a landlords perspective, you don't pay rates on empty listed buildings.
Rather handy when your house is and you are altering it!
Also, from a landlords perspective, you don't pay rates on empty listed buildings.
Parrot of Doom said:
That's what I'm worried about. The structure in question is only a few metres square and the land is of little value, I'm just slightly worried that the company nearby will just knock it over, rather than have the hassle of a listed building on their land.
As it is, its probably completely overgrown anyway. The only photograph I have of it is nearly 20 years old, and I don't want to go there because I might create suspicion.
The architecture bit of Private Eye is full of developers pulling the same stunt so tread carefullyAs it is, its probably completely overgrown anyway. The only photograph I have of it is nearly 20 years old, and I don't want to go there because I might create suspicion.
scotal said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Are such things protected until the listed status is determined either way? What would happen if I made an application, someone found out about it, and damaged the building before a judgement had been made?
You've seen the Hoover building on the A40 right? Well there was another art deco building just nearby that the local council applied to have listed.
The meeting (which was a shoe in for passing the lisitng) was delayed due to a bank holiday.
On the bank holiday Monday the developer that owned the land (and wanted to build houses on it) started demolition works.
No point trying to list a building that is mostly rubble.....
ETA "The August bank holiday brought a nasty shock to conservationists in Brentford 25 years ago.
Over the weekend, the famous Firestone factory on the Great West Road was suddenly demolished.
Moves were afoot to protect the building through listing, and many at the time believed the demolition had been rushed through to circumvent such action.
The attractive factory was built in 1928. Firestone set up the plant to save the cost of shipping tyres from America to Britain.
One of the first purpose built new factories on the Great West Road, it was designed by Wallis, Gilbert and Brothers and built on what had been 26 acres of orchards.
The Art Deco frontage was set back from the road, with lawns in front and the company's sports ground to the west.
The building was a landmark of Brentford for 50 years, but eventually its fate was sealed by events across the Atlantic.
Firestone faltered in the 1970s with its steel-braced radial model 500 tyre, which was widely criticised on safety grounds and eventually withdrawn, plunging the company into millions of dollars of losses.
In November 1979 Firestone announced the closure of its Brentford plant and it shut its doors for the last time in February 1980, making 1,500 workers redundant.
In the last few weeks, a temporary job centre set up inside the factory succeeded in finding work for a third of the employees, a large proportion being taken on by London Transport.
The factory stayed empty for some months and was then sold to Trafalgar House. Hounslow Council and the Department of the Environment were both looking into listing the building.
However, the developers had other ideas and the impressive frontage was reduced to rubble over the August bank holiday weekend.
Conservationists complained that the Art Deco architectural features, such as the doorway mosaics, the Egyptian style entrance and the lamps, had been destroyed first, removing any possibility of salvage.
In the aftermath of the destruction, the council and DoE both blamed each other for failing to save the factory. Each authority said the other should have used emergency powers to prevent work starting.
At the time, Trafalgar House remained unrepentant, denying that the demolition had been hurried through to beat preservation measures.
Simon Jenkins, deputy chairman of the Thirties Society, commented: "If ever there was a building from the inter-war period of British architecture that should have been retained, it was this one."
The West Cross development was subsequently built on the site."
taken from:- http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/6...
Edited by scotal on Friday 5th December 15:24
tty company. Builders always seem deliberately to smash things when they renovate or demolish.
scotal said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Are such things protected until the listed status is determined either way? What would happen if I made an application, someone found out about it, and damaged the building before a judgement had been made?
You've seen the Hoover building on the A40 right? Well there was another art deco building just nearby that the local council applied to have listed.
The meeting (which was a shoe in for passing the lisitng) was delayed due to a bank holiday.
On the bank holiday Monday the developer that owned the land (and wanted to build houses on it) started demolition works.
No point trying to list a building that is mostly rubble.....
ETA "The August bank holiday brought a nasty shock to conservationists in Brentford 25 years ago.
Over the weekend, the famous Firestone factory on the Great West Road was suddenly demolished.
Moves were afoot to protect the building through listing, and many at the time believed the demolition had been rushed through to circumvent such action.
The attractive factory was built in 1928. Firestone set up the plant to save the cost of shipping tyres from America to Britain.
One of the first purpose built new factories on the Great West Road, it was designed by Wallis, Gilbert and Brothers and built on what had been 26 acres of orchards.
The Art Deco frontage was set back from the road, with lawns in front and the company's sports ground to the west.
The building was a landmark of Brentford for 50 years, but eventually its fate was sealed by events across the Atlantic.
Firestone faltered in the 1970s with its steel-braced radial model 500 tyre, which was widely criticised on safety grounds and eventually withdrawn, plunging the company into millions of dollars of losses.
In November 1979 Firestone announced the closure of its Brentford plant and it shut its doors for the last time in February 1980, making 1,500 workers redundant.
In the last few weeks, a temporary job centre set up inside the factory succeeded in finding work for a third of the employees, a large proportion being taken on by London Transport.
The factory stayed empty for some months and was then sold to Trafalgar House. Hounslow Council and the Department of the Environment were both looking into listing the building.
However, the developers had other ideas and the impressive frontage was reduced to rubble over the August bank holiday weekend.
Conservationists complained that the Art Deco architectural features, such as the doorway mosaics, the Egyptian style entrance and the lamps, had been destroyed first, removing any possibility of salvage.
In the aftermath of the destruction, the council and DoE both blamed each other for failing to save the factory. Each authority said the other should have used emergency powers to prevent work starting.
At the time, Trafalgar House remained unrepentant, denying that the demolition had been hurried through to beat preservation measures.
Simon Jenkins, deputy chairman of the Thirties Society, commented: "If ever there was a building from the inter-war period of British architecture that should have been retained, it was this one."
The West Cross development was subsequently built on the site."
taken from:- http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/6...
Edited by scotal on Friday 5th December 15:24
To the OP, what is this building you want listing? And you are aware that there would be no problems for the owners due to public access, as listed status in no way confers a general right of access to the building, just a duty to not alter it.
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