Dangerous dogs outside of school attacked another dog
Discussion
Scenario:
I am collecting my 2 year old from school just getting in car outside. Lady dog walker with a big rotweiller (sp) and a smaller bull terrier of some description walking on the other side of busy road, she is on the grass verge and no pavement. I presumed she was on the opposite side of the road because of the kids coming out of school.
There is a guy walking his dog about 5 metres from me by my car with a very large German shepherd, the lady's 2 dogs start barking and decide to take her across the road, no way can she hold them. Traffic stops, which is lucky as she was dragged on the road, and the 2 dogs start attacking the German shepherd. Guy does his best to kick them off and the lady finally managed to get them under control.
Until this moment I was very wary about diving in as I have seen what a dog bite is like, and all 3 of these dogs were very scary. Another father gets a bit involved and I have to pull the guy apart from the woman as he is swearing and calling her a b
h. Fair enough I suppose, but at this point I walked off.
I often see this lady walking her dogs never had a problem with them myself. Another mother's kids have been run up to by the dogs in the woods and barked at.
The other mother who saw the incident wants to report it, I suspect that there is not much we can do.
Not sure what to do now, worth reporting?
I am collecting my 2 year old from school just getting in car outside. Lady dog walker with a big rotweiller (sp) and a smaller bull terrier of some description walking on the other side of busy road, she is on the grass verge and no pavement. I presumed she was on the opposite side of the road because of the kids coming out of school.
There is a guy walking his dog about 5 metres from me by my car with a very large German shepherd, the lady's 2 dogs start barking and decide to take her across the road, no way can she hold them. Traffic stops, which is lucky as she was dragged on the road, and the 2 dogs start attacking the German shepherd. Guy does his best to kick them off and the lady finally managed to get them under control.
Until this moment I was very wary about diving in as I have seen what a dog bite is like, and all 3 of these dogs were very scary. Another father gets a bit involved and I have to pull the guy apart from the woman as he is swearing and calling her a b
h. Fair enough I suppose, but at this point I walked off. I often see this lady walking her dogs never had a problem with them myself. Another mother's kids have been run up to by the dogs in the woods and barked at.
The other mother who saw the incident wants to report it, I suspect that there is not much we can do.
Not sure what to do now, worth reporting?
Firstly, I generally dislike the phrase "dangerous dogs" a.) beacuse in the majority of cases it's the owners or their relationship with the dogs that at fault and b.) it tends to pigoen-hole by breed, which is a nonsense.
Specifically though, failure to control your dogs is technically a breach of the act. IMHO quite how dangerous or not the dogs are cannot be gleaned from the OP's information alone and would need to be determined by the dog handler/behaviourist employed by the local police.
I have to say that dogs are dogs and although the owner should not have been dragged accross the road - she should have sufficient control and authority to prevent this - you cannot stop dogs having the odd 'argument'. Even old and placid dogs can occasionally take exception to certain other dogs - they are NOT human and cannot be expected to behave as such.
Specifically though, failure to control your dogs is technically a breach of the act. IMHO quite how dangerous or not the dogs are cannot be gleaned from the OP's information alone and would need to be determined by the dog handler/behaviourist employed by the local police.
I have to say that dogs are dogs and although the owner should not have been dragged accross the road - she should have sufficient control and authority to prevent this - you cannot stop dogs having the odd 'argument'. Even old and placid dogs can occasionally take exception to certain other dogs - they are NOT human and cannot be expected to behave as such.
Edited by Digga on Friday 12th December 11:28
Report to the polcie and dog warden too, if you dont next time she or someone else could be injured.
Clearly she cannot control her dogs if they dragged her into the raod. You will be doing her a favour by reporting it as she will proabbly be told to take them out one at a time or not at all.
I am a dog lover, but we do not have one as we have a small child and both work. My parents do and I am prootective of our little girl as she seems to love pulling our cats tails (poor boogers) and am concerned that any dog would snap at her.
But any dog that is agressive or even has such a temprement, (and yes, I mean rotties and bull terriers even though people who have them will say its the owner etc, but such breeds are bred as fighting dogs or with agressive traits), I stay the hell away from. Some neighbiours have a rotty and look after him well, but i have seen them walking him late on without a lead, and about 50 yeards from them. Dog puts the bejesus up some people, he does bark and is protective of the lady owner. But even though they are friends and he is a copper, I threatened to report them to dog warden as he'd scared me a bit one night and they took it seriously! He's only ever on the lead now in public!
Sc ary stuff for all involved I would think!
Clearly she cannot control her dogs if they dragged her into the raod. You will be doing her a favour by reporting it as she will proabbly be told to take them out one at a time or not at all.
I am a dog lover, but we do not have one as we have a small child and both work. My parents do and I am prootective of our little girl as she seems to love pulling our cats tails (poor boogers) and am concerned that any dog would snap at her.
But any dog that is agressive or even has such a temprement, (and yes, I mean rotties and bull terriers even though people who have them will say its the owner etc, but such breeds are bred as fighting dogs or with agressive traits), I stay the hell away from. Some neighbiours have a rotty and look after him well, but i have seen them walking him late on without a lead, and about 50 yeards from them. Dog puts the bejesus up some people, he does bark and is protective of the lady owner. But even though they are friends and he is a copper, I threatened to report them to dog warden as he'd scared me a bit one night and they took it seriously! He's only ever on the lead now in public!
Sc ary stuff for all involved I would think!
Yes I can see your point about the term "dangerous dogs". The police aren't interested unless someone was bitten having just spoken to them, just called the dog warden. If I see the lady I will have words as these dogs should be muzzled. If I see them without muzzles I am not going to be impressed.
Edited to say I quite like Rotweillers, they are usually pretty soft dogs and I will happily pat them if they seem friendly.
Edited to say I quite like Rotweillers, they are usually pretty soft dogs and I will happily pat them if they seem friendly.
Edited by lost in espace on Friday 12th December 11:33
Digga said:
Firstly, I generally dislike the phrase "dangerous dogs" a.) beacuse in the majority of cases it's the owners or their relationship with the dogs that at fault and b.) it tends to pigoen-hole by breed, which is a nonsense.
Specifically though, failure to control your dogs is technically a breach of the act. IMHO quite how dangerous or not the dogs are cannot be gleaned from the OP's information alone and would need to be determined by the dog handler/behaviourist employed by the local police.
I have to say that dogs are dogs and although the owner should not have been dragged accross the road - she should have sufficient control and authority to prevent this - you cannot stop dogs having the odd 'argument'. Even old and placid dogs can occasionally take exception to certain other dogs - they are NOT human and cannot be expected to behave as such.
There is never a "Dangerous Dog" there are only "Dangerous Owners"!Specifically though, failure to control your dogs is technically a breach of the act. IMHO quite how dangerous or not the dogs are cannot be gleaned from the OP's information alone and would need to be determined by the dog handler/behaviourist employed by the local police.
I have to say that dogs are dogs and although the owner should not have been dragged accross the road - she should have sufficient control and authority to prevent this - you cannot stop dogs having the odd 'argument'. Even old and placid dogs can occasionally take exception to certain other dogs - they are NOT human and cannot be expected to behave as such.
Edited by Digga on Friday 12th December 11:28
s3fella said:
Report to the polcie and dog warden too, if you dont next time she or someone else could be injured.
Clearly she cannot control her dogs if they dragged her into the raod. You will be doing her a favour by reporting it as she will proabbly be told to take them out one at a time or not at all.
I am a dog lover, but we do not have one as we have a small child and both work. My parents do and I am prootective of our little girl as she seems to love pulling our cats tails (poor boogers) and am concerned that any dog would snap at her.
But any dog that is agressive or even has such a temprement, (and yes, I mean rotties and bull terriers even though people who have them will say its the owner etc, but such breeds are bred as fighting dogs or with agressive traits), I stay the hell away from. Some neighbiours have a rotty and look after him well, but i have seen them walking him late on without a lead, and about 50 yeards from them. Dog puts the bejesus up some people, he does bark and is protective of the lady owner. But even though they are friends and he is a copper, I threatened to report them to dog warden as he'd scared me a bit one night and they took it seriously! He's only ever on the lead now in public!
Sc ary stuff for all involved I would think!
Yep, rotties are fighting dogs Clearly she cannot control her dogs if they dragged her into the raod. You will be doing her a favour by reporting it as she will proabbly be told to take them out one at a time or not at all.
I am a dog lover, but we do not have one as we have a small child and both work. My parents do and I am prootective of our little girl as she seems to love pulling our cats tails (poor boogers) and am concerned that any dog would snap at her.
But any dog that is agressive or even has such a temprement, (and yes, I mean rotties and bull terriers even though people who have them will say its the owner etc, but such breeds are bred as fighting dogs or with agressive traits), I stay the hell away from. Some neighbiours have a rotty and look after him well, but i have seen them walking him late on without a lead, and about 50 yeards from them. Dog puts the bejesus up some people, he does bark and is protective of the lady owner. But even though they are friends and he is a copper, I threatened to report them to dog warden as he'd scared me a bit one night and they took it seriously! He's only ever on the lead now in public!
Sc ary stuff for all involved I would think!
This is one of my posts from yesterday -
"I thought that. My cat is the top boy in our area. last night, he cornered our rottweiler for a few minutes hissing and spitting at him - then rottweiler decides to make a run for it with the cat on his ass chasing him across the garden taking swipes at his back legs! proper old skool street cat, just one day decided he would come live with us."
N10k said:
Digga said:
Firstly, I generally dislike the phrase "dangerous dogs" a.) beacuse in the majority of cases it's the owners or their relationship with the dogs that at fault and b.) it tends to pigoen-hole by breed, which is a nonsense.
Specifically though, failure to control your dogs is technically a breach of the act. IMHO quite how dangerous or not the dogs are cannot be gleaned from the OP's information alone and would need to be determined by the dog handler/behaviourist employed by the local police.
I have to say that dogs are dogs and although the owner should not have been dragged accross the road - she should have sufficient control and authority to prevent this - you cannot stop dogs having the odd 'argument'. Even old and placid dogs can occasionally take exception to certain other dogs - they are NOT human and cannot be expected to behave as such.
There is never a "Dangerous Dog" there are only "Dangerous Owners"!Specifically though, failure to control your dogs is technically a breach of the act. IMHO quite how dangerous or not the dogs are cannot be gleaned from the OP's information alone and would need to be determined by the dog handler/behaviourist employed by the local police.
I have to say that dogs are dogs and although the owner should not have been dragged accross the road - she should have sufficient control and authority to prevent this - you cannot stop dogs having the odd 'argument'. Even old and placid dogs can occasionally take exception to certain other dogs - they are NOT human and cannot be expected to behave as such.
Edited by Digga on Friday 12th December 11:28
lost in espace said:
Not sure what to do now, worth reporting?
If it happens again yes, but for a one off no, as the dogs will probably get put to death as i imagine the witnesses will revert to "oh noes, think of the children".I see from the language in your post you are not a fan of dogs.
Edited by scorp on Friday 12th December 11:56
FarleyRusk said:
Like saying there aren't any dangerous wolves really. Total and utter nonsense of course. 
Also like saying there aren't any dangerous ping-pong balls (unless you stuff a couple up your nostrils and a few in your throat).Anything can be dangerous if you do something stupid with it.
Wolves and dogs aren't dangerous. They have no natural interest in attacking/eating you.
Of course both can be provoked, have mental illness, or be trained (or mistreated) to behave aggressively.
There is nothing sensible about a woman walking two large muscly dogs that she has no control over outside a school though
Edited by rasputin on Friday 12th December 12:08
I wouldn't bother reporting it. If it happened elsewhere would anyone care?
My dog a gsd is a dangerous dog however I'm not a dangerous owner. I keep him on lead with a muzzle he is a fear aggressor, scared easily responds with violence. He is VERY protective of our house and ourselves.
I found he was dangerous when he went for a delivery driver and ripped his clothing.
Never underestimate the power of cash following a situation like that.
My dog a gsd is a dangerous dog however I'm not a dangerous owner. I keep him on lead with a muzzle he is a fear aggressor, scared easily responds with violence. He is VERY protective of our house and ourselves.
I found he was dangerous when he went for a delivery driver and ripped his clothing.
Never underestimate the power of cash following a situation like that.
f13ldy said:
My dog a gsd is a dangerous dog however I'm not a dangerous owner. I keep him on lead with a muzzle he is a fear aggressor, scared easily responds with violence. He is VERY protective of our house and ourselves.
How old is he?It's quite common for GSDs (females more than males IME), including mine, and it is possible to fix
. It's a shame to assume that's just how he is and leave it at that. He clearly thinks he needs to protect you, and that'll be causing him unnecessary stress if nothing else.Does he also do the "sitting on the stairs where he can see both upstairs and downstairs and the front door to make sure he keeps track of everyone" thing?
haggy said:
s3fella said:
Report to the polcie and dog warden too, if you dont next time she or someone else could be injured.
Clearly she cannot control her dogs if they dragged her into the raod. You will be doing her a favour by reporting it as she will proabbly be told to take them out one at a time or not at all.
I am a dog lover, but we do not have one as we have a small child and both work. My parents do and I am prootective of our little girl as she seems to love pulling our cats tails (poor boogers) and am concerned that any dog would snap at her.
But any dog that is agressive or even has such a temprement, (and yes, I mean rotties and bull terriers even though people who have them will say its the owner etc, but such breeds are bred as fighting dogs or with agressive traits), I stay the hell away from. Some neighbiours have a rotty and look after him well, but i have seen them walking him late on without a lead, and about 50 yeards from them. Dog puts the bejesus up some people, he does bark and is protective of the lady owner. But even though they are friends and he is a copper, I threatened to report them to dog warden as he'd scared me a bit one night and they took it seriously! He's only ever on the lead now in public!
Sc ary stuff for all involved I would think!
Yep, rotties are fighting dogs Clearly she cannot control her dogs if they dragged her into the raod. You will be doing her a favour by reporting it as she will proabbly be told to take them out one at a time or not at all.
I am a dog lover, but we do not have one as we have a small child and both work. My parents do and I am prootective of our little girl as she seems to love pulling our cats tails (poor boogers) and am concerned that any dog would snap at her.
But any dog that is agressive or even has such a temprement, (and yes, I mean rotties and bull terriers even though people who have them will say its the owner etc, but such breeds are bred as fighting dogs or with agressive traits), I stay the hell away from. Some neighbiours have a rotty and look after him well, but i have seen them walking him late on without a lead, and about 50 yeards from them. Dog puts the bejesus up some people, he does bark and is protective of the lady owner. But even though they are friends and he is a copper, I threatened to report them to dog warden as he'd scared me a bit one night and they took it seriously! He's only ever on the lead now in public!
Sc ary stuff for all involved I would think!
This is one of my posts from yesterday -
"I thought that. My cat is the top boy in our area. last night, he cornered our rottweiler for a few minutes hissing and spitting at him - then rottweiler decides to make a run for it with the cat on his ass chasing him across the garden taking swipes at his back legs! proper old skool street cat, just one day decided he would come live with us."
I would maintain that Rottweilers are bred with an agressive trait and that is why I put it in the sentence.
If you think Rottweilers are not bred to be intimidating or have agressive traits visible to the rest of us, have a look on PH at threads when someone says they have been burgled etc and see how many reponses refer to "get a rottweiler" etc. You as an owner cannot be blind to the fact that many people who meet your dog are intimidated by it, many more for example than are intimidated by a golden labrador?
My neighbour's Rotty is usually muzzled, I was not aware they had to be and always assumed it was the just the owner being responsible. I have nothing against these dogs or any dogs tnh, but ALL dogs should be controlled in public and larger more agressive breeds are by their nature more difficult to control.
I stand by my earlier advice, if it were me, I would call the dog warden. The lady may thank the OP for it one day.
scorp said:
lost in espace said:
Not sure what to do now, worth reporting?
If it happens again yes, but for a one off no, as the dogs will probably get put to death as i imagine the witnesses will revert to "oh noes, think of the children".I see from the language in your post you are not a fan of dogs.
Edited by scorp on Friday 12th December 11:56
The important part of the OP's post is IMO not the fact they had a scrap with a German Shepherd, but that they dragged the owner into the road in front of cars etc...!
Dangerous in any book, to owner, dogs themselves and car drivers.
My BIL has some form of "wolf dog" (that's what he calls it, it looks like a proper wolf)and a Japanese Akito (sp) that are quite intimidating dogs and very protective. When having his house painted, the decorators left the door open, wolf dog got hit by a car as he darted out to investigate another dog. Traffic was a 30mph only (town), it cost them £19k to have the dog fixed up! Car driver was mortified and very upset by it all, as were many local people who witnessed it, dog was in a right mess, but is OK now thankfully.
So accidents happen like this, but it just shows what could happen if these two were to drag this woman under a passing truck.........
Edited by s3fella on Friday 12th December 12:29
My housemate has a Rottie, he is the softest, friendliest dog I've met. He is, however extremely territorial and protective of her. If anyone comes near the house or car he will let them know he is there, as soon as we tell him it's OK he's friendly and I've never seen him attack anyone or anything.
Woe betide anyone who would be foolish enough to threaten his mum though!
SHELBY
Woe betide anyone who would be foolish enough to threaten his mum though!
SHELBY
Poledriver said:
My housemate has a Rottie, he is the softest, friendliest dog I've met. He is, however extremely territorial and protective of her. If anyone comes near the house or car he will let them know he is there, as soon as we tell him it's OK he's friendly and I've never seen him attack anyone or anything.
Woe betide anyone who would be foolish enough to threaten his mum though!
SHELBY
Exactly - dogs are creatures of instinct and not reason, and in that way they can be dangerous - if their instinct tells them you are a threat they will react unless very well-trained or controlled.Woe betide anyone who would be foolish enough to threaten his mum though!
SHELBY
rasputin said:
f13ldy said:
My dog a gsd is a dangerous dog however I'm not a dangerous owner. I keep him on lead with a muzzle he is a fear aggressor, scared easily responds with violence. He is VERY protective of our house and ourselves.
How old is he?It's quite common for GSDs (females more than males IME), including mine, and it is possible to fix
. It's a shame to assume that's just how he is and leave it at that. He clearly thinks he needs to protect you, and that'll be causing him unnecessary stress if nothing else.Does he also do the "sitting on the stairs where he can see both upstairs and downstairs and the front door to make sure he keeps track of everyone" thing?
Re: the dog fight, the Rottie's O' should have had control but it will be upto the GSD O' to report it. Just too correct an earlier topic, Rotties weren't bred as fighting dogs they were bred as protectors this would have of course involved fighting if needed to protect their wards but this is still very different to being bred for fighting.
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