Engine Swop
Engine Swop
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V8 Animal

Original Poster:

6,015 posts

241 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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How straight forward is it to change my current engine(4l) to a 5 litre hc.
Bell has listed one just curios.
Brakes the important one what else?
ECU Shocks driveshafts and.........
Thanks
V8 Animal

Edited by V8 Animal on Friday 12th December 16:41

thegman

1,928 posts

235 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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New clutch, probably want an ECU remap

S7Paul

2,103 posts

265 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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Doesn't the 500 have wider rear wheels too?

HRG

72,863 posts

270 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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And uprated brakes...

thegman

1,928 posts

235 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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Unless you love the car. Buy a 5ltr

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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Just want the engine, the ECU only needs a different chip (ask Pasco for one he has a few hehe) As long as you have a serp & get a serp you will be fine.. The heads, inlet trumpet base are often different - plenum & AFM + engine management are the same AFIK (as standard..)

Brakes / suspension are a different topic really, and can be uprated independently. It is better to do them before thinking about power as a rule - but plenty of 500's drive round with crap brakes compared to quite a lot of us anyway - 6/1 v half a dozen wink

Markh

2,781 posts

306 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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If you know your car is good and just want more power then why not!, it would be cheaper to sell and buy a 500, but its not always about the money

V8 Animal

Original Poster:

6,015 posts

241 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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S7Paul said:
Doesn't the 500 have wider rear wheels too?
Can someone post that please.
Mine are 225/50/16
Ta

Chimjunkie

2,879 posts

242 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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I changed my 400 to a 500 spec car. But mine is a 1999 model which had the same chassis, brakes etc as the 500 models. Think the chassis is a little wider?? (not that it makes much difference to the engine swap) I swapped the short engine and reused the 400 injection system, got 500 clutch, Mark Adams to set up engine since i also opted for ported inlet stuff and Stealth cam as well. Did most of the work myself.

V8 Animal

Original Poster:

6,015 posts

241 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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So in short you could swop engines and just replace the clutch.
As for clutch that would be easy so to speak as you can change that when you take the gearbox off.
And to getting it running at it's beast a call to MA.
As for brakes you could do that later.
What about drive shafts and would my existing gaz shocks be the same spec as a 5L?
Ta again
While im on what's one of these?

http://www.powerstores.co.uk/?t=si&item=548

daz the plumber

14,997 posts

262 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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hi, i went out in a good standard 5l a few months back, i found the car pulls better from low revs but i would say 0to 60 is the same but you gain a little more higher up as the 4l runs out of steam .the 5l does not seam to rev as well ,i don`t think its worth all the work and expence unless your engine as shot it. why not do a few mods , act induction ,carbon trumpets larger afm etc just to give you some more torque.all i can say is the 5l does sound nicer , deeper in tone .if i could afford it i would go for this http://www.torquev8.com/testimonials.html and this 45mm carbon trumpets and base .http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-V8-45mm-CARBON-TRUMPET-BASE_W0QQitemZ180312252793QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item180312252793&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Chimjunkie

2,879 posts

242 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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My car as a 400 was already one of the quicker 400's. The change to a 500 with a few mod on it has upped the power 90bhp and 100ftlb!! BIG difference. Slaughters 400's and holds it's own with the speed 6 cars now. Make the change. As has been said so many times on this forum, you cannot compare one car with another because the engine outputs vary so much.

robbri

264 posts

240 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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I have just gone down a simular route decided to go for a 4.6 litre conversion there are plenty of v8 engine spiecialists that supply excellant short motors such as v8 developments and john eales, if your gaz shocks are in good condition they will be ok for this upgrade.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,044 posts

266 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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V8 Animal said:
S7Paul said:
Doesn't the 500 have wider rear wheels too?
Can someone post that please.
Mine are 225/50/16
Ta
Wheels are same, tyres are wider

V8 Animal

Original Poster:

6,015 posts

241 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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Having spent a lot of money upgrading and replacing the interior etc im loathed to get rid also the chassis is in good nick.
If i have one regret about the car i should of bought a 5L
If it's a relevantly easy swap then it's worth considering rather than trying to upgrade my existing which is ok BTW
I do have one problem..... er indoors will have to see on that onehehe

V8 Animal

Original Poster:

6,015 posts

241 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
V8 Animal said:
S7Paul said:
Doesn't the 500 have wider rear wheels too?
Can someone post that please.
Mine are 225/50/16
Ta
Wheels are same, tyres are wider
Thanks
245's?

daz the plumber

14,997 posts

262 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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v8 animal just found you a nice engine http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-V8-4-6-COMPLETE-TUNED-...

V8 Animal

Original Poster:

6,015 posts

241 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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daz the plumber said:
v8 animal just found you a nice engine http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-V8-4-6-COMPLETE-TUNED-...
Yes did spot this myself but discounted it as it was'nt a direct swap also looks a pre serp to me.
This is the one that caught my eye.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

Chimjunkie

2,879 posts

242 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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daz the plumber said:
v8 animal just found you a nice engine http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-V8-4-6-COMPLETE-TUNED-...
Nice idea. Few problems though. Not sure there is enough clearance for the car and air filter. The high under bonnet temperatures will cause power drop with the air intake where it is. Finally a carburated engine with a tuned cam may be too undrivable around town.

daz the plumber

14,997 posts

262 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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what bhp is your 4l making and whats the mileage, have you done any mods ,if you get a decent price for yours i can,t see it costing you that much !