100% Mortgages with Negative Equity Protection
100% Mortgages with Negative Equity Protection
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jesusbuiltmycar

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5,127 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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metro said:
Under the HomeBuy scheme buyers with a household income of less than £60,000 can borrow money from the government for a deposit.

Those who qualify can be lent up to 15 per cent of the value of a property by the government and 15 per cent by the property developer.

Interest on the loan does not kick in for the first five years. If the property has gone down in value when the owner sells it the 30 per cent loan need not be paid back, providing a cushion against negative equity.
What the fcensoredk happened to personal responsibility?

Where will the money come from? How many years before UK PLC collapses under the strain of New Labour?

hugoagogo

23,437 posts

262 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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I wonder who decides if the value has gone down? room for a bit of fraud there?

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

271 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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jesusbuiltmycar said:
metro

bbc

metro said:
Under the HomeBuy scheme buyers with a household income of less than £60,000 can borrow money from the government for a deposit.

Those who qualify can be lent up to 15 per cent of the value of a property by the government and 15 per cent by the property developer.

Interest on the loan does not kick in for the first five years. If the property has gone down in value when the owner sells it the 30 per cent loan need not be paid back, providing a cushion against negative equity.
What the fcensoredk happened to personal responsibility?

Where will the money come from? How many years before UK PLC collapses under the strain of New Labour?
How is it a cushion for negative equity?

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Well because the value of the property can fall 30% and you dont lose any money as you dont have to pay back the 30% loan from the gov....

youngsyr

14,742 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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NoelWatson said:
jesusbuiltmycar said:
metro

bbc

metro said:
Under the HomeBuy scheme buyers with a household income of less than £60,000 can borrow money from the government for a deposit.

Those who qualify can be lent up to 15 per cent of the value of a property by the government and 15 per cent by the property developer.

Interest on the loan does not kick in for the first five years. If the property has gone down in value when the owner sells it the 30 per cent loan need not be paid back, providing a cushion against negative equity.
What the fcensoredk happened to personal responsibility?

Where will the money come from? How many years before UK PLC collapses under the strain of New Labour?
How is it a cushion for negative equity?
I imagine because the amount of negative equity is effectively written off the mortgage. So, buy a house for £100K with £100K mortgage, house loses £30K, you sell for £70K and pay back £70K from the mortgage and all's square.

Apart from the tax payer, but who cares about them as long as everyone has the ability to buy a house, regardless of having zero savings or an income that can pay for it?

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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They are just trying to prop up the over inflated property market by keeping prices high/unaffordable by normal means.

Look at all the shared ownership schemes. FFS just build houses that are affordable and can be bought normally. There is just this obsession to keep prices high, because high house prices are good rolleyes


digger_R

1,809 posts

235 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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anonymous said:
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Have to agree a bazillion percent, with the aim of short sighted knee jerk reactions and blatant electioneering. They couldn't care less about what actually happens to people as long as they grab some headlines and are seen to be doing the right thing by the hoi poi, I am genuinely concerned they will be re-elected.

I'm leaving Europe for Canada, good luck to all of you that remain .... tongue out



Edited by digger_R on Tuesday 16th December 11:33

LeoSayer

7,820 posts

273 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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What's wrong with renting?

CoopR

957 posts

265 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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So I get 30k interest free loan on a 100k flat. I then turn around and sell it to my mate at 70k. He then turns around and sells it for 100k and we split 15k each. Nice! biggrin

Neil_H

15,418 posts

280 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Same old story, Labour are desperately trying to get re-elected by throwing taxpayers money at people who are too thick or lazy to earn their own.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

246 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Neil_H said:
Same old story, Labour are desperately trying to get re-elected by throwing taxpayers money at people who are too thick or lazy to earn their own.
Or Dewsbury, as it's better known.

Oakey

27,981 posts

245 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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LeoSayer said:
What's wrong with renting?
Other than rent costing about the same as a mortgage?

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

271 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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anonymous said:
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This was my point. Same as with the Barratt 15% offer - I reckon you won't be able to use this in conjunction with any other deals, so won't be able to chip 30% off the asking price. You end up paying full price for something that will be worth less than 70% of what you paid if you come to sell it in a few years time.


Why didn't the Gunment bail out the housebuilders directly if they think that is what is required?

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

271 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Oakey said:
LeoSayer said:
What's wrong with renting?
Other than rent costing about the same as a mortgage?
But saving you from depreciation

rude-boy

22,227 posts

262 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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CoopR said:
So I get 30k interest free loan on a 100k flat. I then turn around and sell it to my mate at 70k. He then turns around and sells it for 100k and we split 15k each. Nice! biggrin
Except when you get caught out with your SDLT returns being checked a year later...

This has a lot to do with SDLT imo.

Tonker's example is a great one as you can see in one instance the government gets £0 and in the other £1,860.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

241 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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What about if you go through this, not looking to commit fraud, house prices go up by 5%. Surely that means you have a £70k mortgage (on our £100k property), plus £30k in gov loans. House value is £105k when you come to sell it, meaning you can pay off your mortgage at £70k, but then need to find £35k on top, leading to one big massive debt!!

BoRED S2upid

21,047 posts

269 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Don't a whole heap of people north of that their London have lower income than £60k? surley this applies tot he whole of the North, Scotland and Wales?.

XJSJohn

16,151 posts

248 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Oakey said:
LeoSayer said:
What's wrong with renting?
Other than rent costing about the same as a mortgage?
everyone has to start somewhere .....

Rent somewhere cheap to start with ... like a flat share, then save some money until you have a deposit (i.e. some equity) then when you are ready and able to support your "investment" enter the market.

Its what i am sure that most of us here (that are in our late 30's + at least) had to do.

Oakey

27,981 posts

245 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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NoelWatson said:
Oakey said:
LeoSayer said:
What's wrong with renting?
Other than rent costing about the same as a mortgage?
But saving you from depreciation
Depreciation only matters if you don't intend to use the house as a home. If it's the family home where you're going to live, as my parents did with their house, and their parents did in theirs then what does it matter? At some point in the future it's value will go back up... and probably back down... and back up... etc, etc smile

rude-boy

22,227 posts

262 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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Oakey said:
NoelWatson said:
Oakey said:
LeoSayer said:
What's wrong with renting?
Other than rent costing about the same as a mortgage?
But saving you from depreciation
Depreciation only matters if you don't intend to use the house as a home. If it's the family home where you're going to live, as my parents did with their house, and their parents did in theirs then what does it matter? At some point in the future it's value will go back up... and probably back down... and back up... etc, etc smile
yes There are still people who are living in houses which were built by the Great Grandfathers...