last 4.2's were really 4.5's?

[turfclubroad]

No, I am still primarily interested in S6's but that does not prevent me from reading other advert's?!

And I am looking for some education.....

Anyway, I noticed that Hamilton Cars have a 2004 4.2 for sale which seems to have a 4.5 engine as they say was the case for all end of series 4.2's....
My first question would be if this indeed was the case, but then I would also be interested in finding out if it was the drysump 4.5 or the 4.2 block with 4.5 capacity? Last but not least: I have no idea if there was a difference between the 4.2's and 4.5's in terms of set up (suspension, throtte travel etc etc) in the earlier years, but would that have disappeared in 2004 (with the 4.2 essentially being a 4.5?)

Strange really that TVR would have marketed the same car with 2 names...

thx

Wiebe

[shpub]

Not really true. When my 4.2 was replaced the first time, it came back with the 4.5 style engine. The story was that it was a 4.5 in disguise and TVR would never deny or confirm they had done that. When the engine got rebuilt again, it was a 4.2 internally.

I would not pay a premium for a 4.2 car on the basis "that it's really a 4.5 cos that was TVR fitted". I suspect it did happen occasionally but it seems to be a myth that many like to have perpetuated.

[WorAl]

Im sure i read somewhere that it was the top end which was 4.5 on some of the later engines but still with 4.2 internals.......or did i dream it? someone will confirm.

[guydw]

I think it's just sales talk.

[nemasis]

if i remember correctly the last 4.2's were proper 4.2's they just had the 4.5 crank the rest of the internals were 4.2,some did have 4.5's with 4.2inlets this is true i will have to look in my paper work and find out.

[400+bhp]

so what happens if you think its a 4.2 and !!!!! you put some one in hosp or worse due to a accident and then the fine tooth combe comes out from the insurance co and they look real real deep???? and its not a 4.2 but you thought it was oh

[Nickccc]

400+bhp said:

so what happens if you think its a 4.2 and !!!!! you put some one in hosp or worse due to a accident and then the fine tooth combe comes out from the insurance co and they look real real deep???? and its not a 4.2 but you thought it was oh

It's not going to happen, TVR just used what was around at the time, you could never be held responsible for that.
I doubt the original dealer even knew.

[400+bhp]

Nickccc said:

400+bhp said:

so what happens if you think its a 4.2 and !!!!! you put some one in hosp or worse due to a accident and then the fine tooth combe comes out from the insurance co and they look real real deep???? and its not a 4.2 but you thought it was oh

It's not going to happen, TVR just used what was around at the time, you could never be held responsible for that.
I doubt the original dealer even knew.

would like to think thats the case, and prob is however the saying ...ignorance is not a defence... comes to mind

[Nickccc]

400+bhp said:

Nickccc said:

400+bhp said:

so what happens if you think its a 4.2 and !!!!! you put some one in hosp or worse due to a accident and then the fine tooth combe comes out from the insurance co and they look real real deep???? and its not a 4.2 but you thought it was oh

It's not going to happen, TVR just used what was around at the time, you could never be held responsible for that.
I doubt the original dealer even knew.

would like to think thats the case, and prob is however the saying ...ignorance is not a defence... comes to mind

Yeah, if you say so.

To loose a Cerb and kill yourself/pas, or hospitalize the same or another road user, you'd have to be driving in a manor w holey inappropriate for the road, A Cerb doen't kill you should you crash it at normal speeds.
I am sure that would negate any extra 300cc's in court to be honest, for that is the only accident that would reveal such.

There was such a case here.

One of our own gang was tragically killed. The police approach a well known TVR man, to assertaine weather the ECU can be unlocked to show speed or any other data.
What the police did know, was the car had just passed a Scooby on a slip road at warp factor ten.
Don't think I don't realise, that witness statements can be full of inaccuracies, the fact is somewhat negated, considering the car then went straight into the oncoming roundabout, killing the driver.

but your right ignorance isn't no defense.

Happy Christmas by the way,

But I would love to hear a judge say.
" Mr Four hundred horsepower, you shall be taken from hear to a place where you shall be hanged from the neck untill dead.
You sir, have committed the heinous crime of,,,,,,,,,,,,,(deathly silence from the public gallery),









Having a 4.5.
Take him down".

Edited by Nickccc on Wednesday 17th December 20:30

[400+bhp]

lets just hope there are no nasty knocks..then we can all keep having fun as these were intended to be for... how about having all insurance assessors !!!??being ex or current tiv owners.... and how about all mot stations to be the same...and maybe speed cops as well the list goes on..
have i gone off topic a bit!!! my last words are buy a s6 at 4ltr and play it safe ...ish

[BCA]

Or just get a 4.5?

[400+bhp]

BCA said:

Or just get a 4.5?

now we are talking...as long as it is a 4.5 and not a 4.2!!! is that another cop out for insurers.... if they say car is listed as 4.5 but its not so so very sorry but the insuran...ce is void..... now im just being silly or am I ..sure some one will tell me..

[BCA]

400+bhp said:

BCA said:

Or just get a 4.5?

now we are talking...as long as it is a 4.5 and not a 4.2!!! is that another cop out for insurers.... if they say car is listed as 4.5 but its not so so very sorry but the insuran...ce is void..... now im just being silly or am I ..sure some one will tell me..

You're being silly.

Show me two standard TVR's that are exactly the same spec. Handbuilt cars, usually built with whatever is to hand - makes for some interesting variables in the build of them. Insurance co's arent stupid and this is probably factored into thier quotes. For an insurance company to rip apart the engine and measure everything would be a rather in-depth assessment, one that would generally mean they would know how TVR worked, that they used whatever was to hand and it would therefore not be the owners fault things may be slightly different.

[400+bhp]

ok...ill get back to the royal variety show, just got to get the heads back on now that ive measured the holes and the stroke and checked the compression and the all important big end slap, oh and must advise the insurance that I put some high oct petrol in today intead of the standar octain... cant be too care full now can I..

[esso]

Apparently,from what i have read previously,it depends also on what colour the car is,have you checked?!?

Edited by esso on Wednesday 17th December 22:30

[400+bhp]

esso said:

Apparently,from what i have read previously,it depends also on what colour the car is,have you checked?!?

Edited by esso on Wednesday 17th December 22:30

PINK !!

[Podie]

So what happens if you buy the car in question, and it IS a 4.2 (e.g. you discover this at resale time)..?

Do you take the dealer to court..?

[Mr Freefall]

Podie said:

So what happens if you buy the car in question, and it IS a 4.2 (e.g. you discover this at resale time)..?

Do you take the dealer to court..?

I would image the dealer will have gone bust by now in this climate, seems the way at the moment...

Mr F

[rev-erend]

guydw said:

I think it's just sales talk.

or them not actually knowing the product..

I saw an ad for a TVR the other days and it's listing the features..

ABS

[400+bhp]

rev-erend said:

guydw said:

I think it's just sales talk.

or them not actually knowing the product..

I saw an ad for a TVR the other days and it's listing the features..

ABS
think its not the usual ABS could it be all..bull..sh"" (ABS)