19.000 caught speeding in 7 months on M62...
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I know the story is mainly ablout this footballer being caught speeding, but what really caught my attention was this bit about 19,000 caught in a 7 month period 
ananova said:
Footballer fined for speeding
Leeds United footballer Eirik Bakke has been fined £200 for speeding on a motorway.
The 26-year-old defender - who was banned from the road in May for drink driving - was also ordered to pay £35 in costs by magistrates in Rochdale.
The court was told Bakke was clocked in his BMW M3 car on the M62 near Rochdale at a speed of 63 mph. There was a 50 mph speed limit in force on the motorway due to long-running roadworks.
Norwegian international Bakke, of Alwoodley, Leeds, admitted the speeding offence in writing and did not attend court. Three penalty points were also added to his driving licence by magistrates.
More than 19,000 motorists were caught speeding between November last year and May this year on the M62 motorway between junctions 18 and 20 when the roadworks and speed limit were in place.
Bakke was caught on April 28 this year, just 11 days before he was banned for drink driving by magistrates in Wetherby, West Yorkshire.
He was banned for two years, fined £5,000 and ordered to pay costs of £1,000.
is all that mony going. Can't say I sympathise with overpaid, yobbish, drunken, foreign footballers driving about on our roads and he got what he deserved.
I also have no issue with roadworks speed limits whilst people are actually working on the roadworks. However, if, as I suspect, most of those caught were speeding when work was over for the day, then that's a different matter entirely and it's then just 'cash-collection time'.
I also have no issue with roadworks speed limits whilst people are actually working on the roadworks. However, if, as I suspect, most of those caught were speeding when work was over for the day, then that's a different matter entirely and it's then just 'cash-collection time'.
How many accidents were there on the same stretch during the period? What risk assessment was done in setting the limit, and was it assessed afterwards as being appropriate? I'm assuming that the target rate should be the same as the stretch of road without the roadworks, so anything less would mean a higher limit would have been appropriate (or more would indicate a lower limit).
I agree that when the workers are present and there's twisty/narrow contraflows then a sub-70 limit is the right thing to do. But when the cones are moved away for the night and everyone's gone home, why is the limit still in place? It happens over and over again. Please can someone explain the safety justification?
I agree that when the workers are present and there's twisty/narrow contraflows then a sub-70 limit is the right thing to do. But when the cones are moved away for the night and everyone's gone home, why is the limit still in place? It happens over and over again. Please can someone explain the safety justification?
Peter Ward said:
I agree that when the workers are present and there's twisty/narrow contraflows then a sub-70 limit is the right thing to do. But when the cones are moved away for the night and everyone's gone home, why is the limit still in place? It happens over and over again. Please can someone explain the safety justification?
They just can't be bothered to put their speed signs away! Therefore it gives the scamera Mafia chance to make some money.
Q
'Q' said:
I agree that when the workers are present and there's twisty/narrow contraflows then a sub-70 limit is the right thing to do. But when the cones are moved away for the night and everyone's gone home, why is the limit still in place? It happens over and over again. Please can someone explain the safety justification?
They just can't be bothered to put their speed signs away! Therefore it gives the scamera Mafia chance to make some money.
Q
There is none. This is an increasingly popular tactic by the scammers. I read of a case in S. Wales where a motorway crash barrier on a bridge was damaged. The hard shoulder was coned off. A speed limit was left on for months while no work took place.
nearly 20,000 in seven months and on one piece of road!!! that is downright immoral, that's like fining people for breating too deeply FFS!
Q. If so many people are breaking a law at what point does it become proven as a useless law?
A. Never, cos this one is a right little earner to the tune of £114000 in just 7 months
>> Edited by Apache on Thursday 16th October 20:05
Q. If so many people are breaking a law at what point does it become proven as a useless law?
A. Never, cos this one is a right little earner to the tune of £114000 in just 7 months
>> Edited by Apache on Thursday 16th October 20:05
Apache said:
nearly 20,000 in seven months and on one peice of road!!! that is plainly downright immoral, that's like fining people for breating too deeply FFS!
Q. If so many people are breaking a law at what point does it become proven as a useless law?
A. Never, cos this one is a right little earner to the tune of £114000 in just 7 months
19000x60=£1140000 you mised a 0 off the end m8
outlaw said:
nearly 20,000 in seven months and on one peice of road!!! that is plainly downright immoral, that's like fining people for breating too deeply FFS!
Q. If so many people are breaking a law at what point does it become proven as a useless law?
A. Never, cos this one is a right little earner to the tune of £114000 in just 7 months
19000x60=£1140000 you mised a 0 off the end m8
FFS!!! revolution time baby.........MoJo.
If speed cameras prevent people speeding how come they caught 19,000 people in just 7 months ? Can't be working that well.
They've done the same thing on the M25 around the A10/M11 junctions. 40 mph limit whilst road works are in place but the road works take so long . . . they should focus on getting them done faster, it's not rocket science.
Problem is that 40mph creates so much resentment that drivers tend to push much harder to go faster after the limit goes back up, much greater risk.
It seems common sense is no longer used these days.
They've done the same thing on the M25 around the A10/M11 junctions. 40 mph limit whilst road works are in place but the road works take so long . . . they should focus on getting them done faster, it's not rocket science.
Problem is that 40mph creates so much resentment that drivers tend to push much harder to go faster after the limit goes back up, much greater risk.
It seems common sense is no longer used these days.
Apache said:"If you have 10,000 regulations, you destroy all respect for the law." -- Winston Churchill
[snip] Q. If so many people are breaking a law at what point does it become proven as a useless law? ...
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences." -- C. S. Lewis
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers." -- Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged", Part II, Chapter 3
Couldn't put it better myself.
Streaky
Utter cobblers and more grist to the mill of impending revolution.
Had this headline read "19,000 thieves, villains and generally worthless scum been rounded up and deported to forced labour in the Indies from the Greater Manchest-oh area - Police Chief in celebratory limbo dance," then it would have been cause for celebration.
Unfortunately THAT would have meant effective police detection - a concept seemingly alien to the politically repugnant taskers, not to mention depressing layers of the taskees whom define the current body of alleged policing in Albion.
A local, regional and national disgrace.
Had this headline read "19,000 thieves, villains and generally worthless scum been rounded up and deported to forced labour in the Indies from the Greater Manchest-oh area - Police Chief in celebratory limbo dance," then it would have been cause for celebration.
Unfortunately THAT would have meant effective police detection - a concept seemingly alien to the politically repugnant taskers, not to mention depressing layers of the taskees whom define the current body of alleged policing in Albion.
A local, regional and national disgrace.
It was recently in the news here in South Wales that 47,000 people were caught speeding in roadworks on the A470 in twelve months
This road is trying to overtake the M25 for the amount of roadworks it has continuously going. You would have thought that people would just do 40mph out of habit!
This road is trying to overtake the M25 for the amount of roadworks it has continuously going. You would have thought that people would just do 40mph out of habit!
wanty1974 said:
It was recently in the news here in South Wales that 47,000 people were caught speeding in roadworks on the A470 in twelve months
This road is trying to overtake the M25 for the amount of roadworks it has continuously going. You would have thought that people would just do 40mph out of habit!
And of that 47000 how many lost their liscences??and their means of transport to work?and lost their jobs?and their houses??and then became dependent on the state (sic) to support them??how mant marriges broke under the strain??how many children lost the stability of a home??and became a "problem" for the authorities??
The list goes on and on and on.
All because of a misguided and immoral persecusion of the population. MoJo.
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