Love for the scamera!!
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I've do alot of miles each week, split between my mini and a veedub trainspoter van, about 300 all in all, and I am so pissed off with councils putting traffic calming everywhere, speed bumps really take there toll on the mini and as for road narrowing what the f**k is that all about! I am sorry but speed cameras (where needed) are the best way of slowing people down.
Another great example of this is all the roads that have been dropped fro NSL to 50 or even 40mph, why, because some prat does 90mph down them in the wet, looses control and dies in the process. And then rather than doing the sensible thing and putting a camera up to make sure people don't go over 60mph, the bloody councill reduce the speed limit.
Then of course theres no risk of a speeding ticket so another muppet goes and does the same 90mph thing and you can guess the results.
Traffic calming punishes all where as cameras only punish offenders!
Another great example of this is all the roads that have been dropped fro NSL to 50 or even 40mph, why, because some prat does 90mph down them in the wet, looses control and dies in the process. And then rather than doing the sensible thing and putting a camera up to make sure people don't go over 60mph, the bloody councill reduce the speed limit.
Then of course theres no risk of a speeding ticket so another muppet goes and does the same 90mph thing and you can guess the results.
Traffic calming punishes all where as cameras only punish offenders!
Bravely said 
There's an NSL road near me that is now 40 - why ?
Must be because every winter loads of people go through the remains of the hedge on the only sharp corner in the road. The rest of the road doesn't even have a farm entrance on it!
The corner is far too exciting in the wet at 40 mph and the
haven't yet even bothered putting up B&W chevrons or any other signs indicating a sharp/dangerour corner 
So now those sticking to 40 limit now get bored/distracted on the long approach before they encounter the unwarned and dangerous bend
There's an NSL road near me that is now 40 - why ?
Must be because every winter loads of people go through the remains of the hedge on the only sharp corner in the road. The rest of the road doesn't even have a farm entrance on it!
The corner is far too exciting in the wet at 40 mph and the
haven't yet even bothered putting up B&W chevrons or any other signs indicating a sharp/dangerour corner So now those sticking to 40 limit now get bored/distracted on the long approach before they encounter the unwarned and dangerous bend
sausagepilot said:
I've do alot of miles each week, split between my mini and a veedub trainspoter van, about 300 all in all, and I am so pissed off with councils putting traffic calming everywhere, speed bumps really take there toll on the mini and as for road narrowing what the f**k is that all about! I am sorry but speed cameras (where needed) are the best way of slowing people down.
Another great example of this is all the roads that have been dropped fro NSL to 50 or even 40mph, why, because some prat does 90mph down them in the wet, looses control and dies in the process. And then rather than doing the sensible thing and putting a camera up to make sure people don't go over 60mph, the bloody councill reduce the speed limit.
Then of course theres no risk of a speeding ticket so another muppet goes and does the same 90mph thing and you can guess the results.
Traffic calming punishes all where as cameras only punish offenders!
What a crock of bollox. Wanna explain to me how a scamera slows down a joyrider then????? Whats that? Ya dont know?......
At least a speed hump MIGHT have slowed the **hypothetical** joyrider down, the scamera wouldnt.
Know thine subject, before clattering your gums together.....
sausagepilot said:
... because some prat does 90mph down them in the wet, looses control and dies in the process. And then rather than doing the sensible thing and putting a camera up to make sure people don't go over 60mph, the bloody councill reduce the speed limit.
Neither is sensible. And unfortunately some councils will do both - lower the limit and put a camera up to enforce the new limit.
What this all means is that beacuse "some prat" does the Darwinian thing and removes himself from the human race, we all have to suffer. Not the right thing to do at all.
What would be much better is tecahing the prats to drive better and having more Traf Pol out there to help improve driving standards.
Cameras are not the answer.
I think if you re-read you will find that he has a valid point!
Scameras and speed humps are both ways of getting people who don't know better to keep control of their speeds.
And on the whole, the problems being addressed by lowering speed limits on otherwise perfectly safe roads ought to be rethought!
IMHO Scameras are a damn sight more effective that the indiscriminate lowering of speed limits which it turns out everyone (lorries included) simply ignore.
I'm not suggesting scameras are the only, or best, solution but they are certainly perferable to the some of the current policies and I fell sure that with a little thought they could come up with something better. It can't be that hard!
Scameras and speed humps are both ways of getting people who don't know better to keep control of their speeds.
And on the whole, the problems being addressed by lowering speed limits on otherwise perfectly safe roads ought to be rethought!
IMHO Scameras are a damn sight more effective that the indiscriminate lowering of speed limits which it turns out everyone (lorries included) simply ignore.
I'm not suggesting scameras are the only, or best, solution but they are certainly perferable to the some of the current policies and I fell sure that with a little thought they could come up with something better. It can't be that hard!
Jeezuz H, ive only been away for a day and a half, and the "love the scameras" brigade is taking over.
To my mind, there is NO scenario where a speed camera is needed. NO WHERE.
We never had the "bastard" son of gatsonides before in this country, so why the hell all of a sudden, are they so desirable now?
"Oh theyre ok so long as theyre outside of schools"....CRAP!
Put them outside of schools, and before long youll have one on every street.
And thats the plan aint it?
A spy on every street to snap a minor indiscretion...
Ill say this again: WE-DONT-NEED-THEM.
Experience has shown, that giving them an inch immediately means they take a flaming mile.
Scrap the bloody lot of them, and start educating the "little darlings" in that long forgotten art of **the green cross code**.(non of this hedgehog bull either)
Oh BTW, nice car McNud.
>> Edited by deltaf on Thursday 16th October 21:47
To my mind, there is NO scenario where a speed camera is needed. NO WHERE.
We never had the "bastard" son of gatsonides before in this country, so why the hell all of a sudden, are they so desirable now?
"Oh theyre ok so long as theyre outside of schools"....CRAP!
Put them outside of schools, and before long youll have one on every street.
And thats the plan aint it?
A spy on every street to snap a minor indiscretion...
Ill say this again: WE-DONT-NEED-THEM.
Experience has shown, that giving them an inch immediately means they take a flaming mile.
Scrap the bloody lot of them, and start educating the "little darlings" in that long forgotten art of **the green cross code**.(non of this hedgehog bull either)
Oh BTW, nice car McNud.
>> Edited by deltaf on Thursday 16th October 21:47
Don't hold back Deltaf!
The only place that I can think of for a camera is at traffic lights, on red, those I would agree with.
All the rest of this, chicanes, cameras, humps, painting the road pretty colours, dashed "central reservations" on main roads - LOAD OF B@LL@CKS! Get rid, and re-engineer the real danger spots (after taking a 10 year survey to define the REAL blackspots). Cheaper, more cost effective, and much more likely to reduce the accident rates. Oh and stop this KSI cr@p - give us figures for each category you t@ssers, don't try and hide behind bullsh!t
The only place that I can think of for a camera is at traffic lights, on red, those I would agree with.
All the rest of this, chicanes, cameras, humps, painting the road pretty colours, dashed "central reservations" on main roads - LOAD OF B@LL@CKS! Get rid, and re-engineer the real danger spots (after taking a 10 year survey to define the REAL blackspots). Cheaper, more cost effective, and much more likely to reduce the accident rates. Oh and stop this KSI cr@p - give us figures for each category you t@ssers, don't try and hide behind bullsh!t
Here's a good one show school children actual photographs of children who have been run over maybe then they might realise that cars are not soft and fluffy and that running in front of one will not reward you with a nice soft fluffy cuddle
In germany they used to leave the wrecks at the side of the road as a reminder.
In germany they used to leave the wrecks at the side of the road as a reminder.
I read in the southern evening echo that the bus company in southampton are planning to get rid of their fleet of "bendy" buses due to the damage being inflicted on them by speed humps, the low level buses were introduced to enable disabled people to be able to use the bus service. Local diabled groups are up in arms naturally.
alans said:
I read in the southern evening echo that the bus company in southampton are planning to get rid of their fleet of "bendy" buses due to the damage being inflicted on them by speed humps, the low level buses were introduced to enable disabled people to be able to use the bus service. Local diabled groups are up in arms naturally.
Yes but are they up in arms at the bus company (probably) or the local council (unlikely)
Yes! Get rid of speed cameras totally. We lived without them before.
But instead of setting up traffic "calming" measures (the traffic is only "calm" going over/through...), why not go for Mr B's favourite Education, Education, Education and train drivers properly. Oh, and children - the Green Cross Code did actually work, IIRC...
The driving test could be more interesting (read: difficult), you could stop people from ever driving if they fail after 5 attempts, you could have compulsory retests every x years (with decent retraining for people who fail), and you could have testing for anyone wanting to drive MPVs/4x4s or anything over, say, 2.5 litres.
And you could ban all Volkswagens*.
* This is a joke, okay!! At least until I'm Prime Minister.
But instead of setting up traffic "calming" measures (the traffic is only "calm" going over/through...), why not go for Mr B's favourite Education, Education, Education and train drivers properly. Oh, and children - the Green Cross Code did actually work, IIRC...
The driving test could be more interesting (read: difficult), you could stop people from ever driving if they fail after 5 attempts, you could have compulsory retests every x years (with decent retraining for people who fail), and you could have testing for anyone wanting to drive MPVs/4x4s or anything over, say, 2.5 litres.
And you could ban all Volkswagens*.
* This is a joke, okay!! At least until I'm Prime Minister.
Nacnud said:
The corner is far too exciting in the wet at 40 mph and the
So now those sticking to 40 limit now get bored/distracted on the long approach before they encounter the unwarned and dangerous bend
This prompts me to ask a question of the BiB (or anyone else who might know). Some years ago now, I was travelling an NSL country road that I didn't know well. Was travelling around 64/65, so nothing excessive, along a straight section in the semi-dark. Saw what I though was the continuation of the straight road but, when I got closer discovered it was actually a side road coming in and the main road bent sharply right. A sharp right that I was unable to make and I ended up in the hedge
(hindsight being 20/20, I'd have taken to the escape road, as it were, but..). Anyway, no harm was done to me and it was a company car so, not too much of a problem. But, I visited the scene the next day to confirm something and, there were no warning signs for a bend and no chevrons or anything. 
If a bend cannot be taken at the speed limit of the road that it's on, is there no legal obligation for the council to warn the motorist?
dontlift said:
Here's a good one show school children actual photographs of children who have been run over maybe then they might realise that cars are not soft and fluffy and that running in front of one will not reward you with a nice soft fluffy cuddle
In germany they used to leave the wrecks at the side of the road as a reminder.
not the wreckage of the children surely? mind you with their record on human rights it wouldn't surprise me.
Scameras, traffic "calming", absurdly low speed limits and so on all have a blanket penalty effect irrespective of driver skill.
It's been said before, but better driver training is the answer not blanket measures that penalise everyone and miss the unskilled.
Look at the TV programme "Britain's Worst Driver".
None of the blanket measures will "control" that type of driver. They are the danger and it's better driving skills education that they require and then, it would seem, a tougher driving test.
Speed has virtually nothing to do with it.
It's been said before, but better driver training is the answer not blanket measures that penalise everyone and miss the unskilled.
Look at the TV programme "Britain's Worst Driver".
None of the blanket measures will "control" that type of driver. They are the danger and it's better driving skills education that they require and then, it would seem, a tougher driving test.
Speed has virtually nothing to do with it.
Not just better driving training but as stated earlier lets not let some people on the road!!!
If trainee drivers can't pass the test after 5 attempts thats it.
Lets add in a motorway section and dual carriageway section, lets grade peoples licenses so as it governs not only what vehicle they can drive but what roads they are allowed to use. Lets introduce compulsary skid pan training, high speed training and reaction timing. Lets introduce compulsary eye checks.
None of this will happen because it disciminates and it costs money. Rather more the Government would rather make the majority suffer due to the idiocy and numpty behaviour of the few, and while their at it they can make a few quid as well.
If trainee drivers can't pass the test after 5 attempts thats it.
Lets add in a motorway section and dual carriageway section, lets grade peoples licenses so as it governs not only what vehicle they can drive but what roads they are allowed to use. Lets introduce compulsary skid pan training, high speed training and reaction timing. Lets introduce compulsary eye checks.
None of this will happen because it disciminates and it costs money. Rather more the Government would rather make the majority suffer due to the idiocy and numpty behaviour of the few, and while their at it they can make a few quid as well.
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