Bluray any good??
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Muze ST said:
slightly better picture if you have the right equipment, but will say 1 thing, just another way for film companies to make money from people who have got all the dvd collection to turn to blu ray.
I agree, the picture is 'slightly' better, but not in a way that DVD was much better than video tape. I have bought a few BluRay films, for our 50" TV, and to be honest, the difference is in no way worth double the price for the BluRay - we stll buy 'normal' DVD's for a fraction of the price now, and enjoyment is not spoilt one jot - even the sound isn't that much better - but am sure someone will be along to tell me I have the wrong equiment, and if I spent another £10K on the right stuff, the image and sound will look and sound great....I'd go a little further than some of the posters here - I added a PS3 to my pretty decent DVD separates systems and have been amazed by the jump in quality. Using good HDMI cables into my Hitachi 42" Plasma and sitting within the proper range I can details such as pores on actors faces that are genuinely invisible on the DVD version (if you're to far from the screen your eyes can't distinguish the additional resolution). I found the audio to be another similar sized leap in quality.
My system cost far from £10k but is I hope well chosen and matched - I'd recommend BluRay to anybody.
dumbfunk
My system cost far from £10k but is I hope well chosen and matched - I'd recommend BluRay to anybody.
dumbfunk
randomman said:
Muze ST said:
slightly better picture if you have the right equipment, but will say 1 thing, just another way for film companies to make money from people who have got all the dvd collection to turn to blu ray.
100% Spot on, although it worked for moving from VHS to DVD.I have loads of DVD's and no BluRays even though I have a PS3. For me, the price difference is to big for the increase in quality.
Tycho said:
randomman said:
Muze ST said:
slightly better picture if you have the right equipment, but will say 1 thing, just another way for film companies to make money from people who have got all the dvd collection to turn to blu ray.
100% Spot on, although it worked for moving from VHS to DVD.I have loads of DVD's and no BluRays even though I have a PS3. For me, the price difference is to big for the increase in quality.
i love blu ray personally really enjoy it
but it depends on the equipment that you have, i think im right on the following points:
- there are two types of HD TV (720p and 1080p) - blu ray can utilise the 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution of the 1080p TV so you can finally utilise the extra 200£ the 1080p telly cost you over the 720p one
also worth noting is, although the xbox 360 outputs in 1080p it doesnt actually process in it, this is a myth even if the game says it does (e.g. halo 3) and you inputting via hdmi (i.e. elite or newer premium) it simply upscales the 720p signal which is why its not necessery
i have bought a number of blu ray films, some look stunning (dark knight as mentioned), also planet earth looks amazing,
some dont . . full metal jacket for instance looked no diff to dvd to my eyes
however a good upscaler (e.g. ps3) can make a huge difference to the picture of DVD's i was shocked by this
Also with HDMI cables it makes no odds if you use a 5.99 cable or a 59.99 cable digital is digital, a 1 and a 0 will always be a 1 and a 0 its not like analogue
in summary to get the best result you want a good 1080p TV which should be 40" minimum, a good upscaller dvd player/blu ray player and a HDMI cable connecting the two and you'll really notice the difference
and the best filmed blu ray disc i.e.
but it depends on the equipment that you have, i think im right on the following points:
- there are two types of HD TV (720p and 1080p) - blu ray can utilise the 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution of the 1080p TV so you can finally utilise the extra 200£ the 1080p telly cost you over the 720p one
also worth noting is, although the xbox 360 outputs in 1080p it doesnt actually process in it, this is a myth even if the game says it does (e.g. halo 3) and you inputting via hdmi (i.e. elite or newer premium) it simply upscales the 720p signal which is why its not necessery
i have bought a number of blu ray films, some look stunning (dark knight as mentioned), also planet earth looks amazing,
some dont . . full metal jacket for instance looked no diff to dvd to my eyes
however a good upscaler (e.g. ps3) can make a huge difference to the picture of DVD's i was shocked by this
Also with HDMI cables it makes no odds if you use a 5.99 cable or a 59.99 cable digital is digital, a 1 and a 0 will always be a 1 and a 0 its not like analogue
in summary to get the best result you want a good 1080p TV which should be 40" minimum, a good upscaller dvd player/blu ray player and a HDMI cable connecting the two and you'll really notice the difference
and the best filmed blu ray disc i.e.
I was going to dispute your claim about all HDMI cables being the same but after 10 minutes googling I think I'm inclined to agree! Makes me glad that I didn't go mad on this and went for a cheaper QED cables in the length I needed rather than something slightly more exotic as I have with interconnects or speaker cable.
teapea said:
Also with HDMI cables it makes no odds if you use a 5.99 cable or a 59.99 cable digital is digital, a 1 and a 0 will always be a 1 and a 0 its not like analogue
With the greatest respect.Nonsense.
Cable assembly standards makes as much, if not more difference in the digital domain as it does in the analogue domain.
Poorly terminated connectors on the end of the wire create reflections, which cause transition errors against the clocking of the signal.
This is especially noticeable with long cables, a higher quality HDMI cable that has been well manufactured will not experience the same level of attenuation as a poor cable. As digital signals suffer from the 'cliff effect' this can, over as short a distance as 10m mean the difference between getting a picture and not getting a picture.
Now I'm not about to justify going mad on solid gold conductors with an outer sheath of hand woven unicorn mane but there is a marked difference between crap and mid range so its worth spending a bit but not going mad. The 10% of total system cost rule on all cabling remains a relatively good one.
As for BD yes its worth it if you enjoy film.
I really recommend WALL.E or whatever its called looks stunning, Planet Earth looks great too.
Some films are worth buying the DVD, other films you may as well buy the DVD as the player will upscale anyway, which is the real beauty of a Blu ray player, that it is a very good DVD player which gives the option of playing the HD movies.
Some films are worth buying the DVD, other films you may as well buy the DVD as the player will upscale anyway, which is the real beauty of a Blu ray player, that it is a very good DVD player which gives the option of playing the HD movies.
Plotloss said:
Wise words
I will just add that the important point is if you buy a cable which isn't up to the job, whether it be cheap or expensive, then the failure mode is gross - sparklies, blanking problems or in the worst cases no DDC communication. So you know immediately you've got a s
tter, this is in contrast to analogue cables where the plateau of performance is as unknown as the depths of an audiophiles wallet 
HDMI cables have to be sufficient for the job at hand (Which for the near-mid future will be 1080p60 + HD audio), any more than sufficient is wasting money unless you are plastering over it (literally!).
I got my last lot, including a 10m run, from ukhdmi.com and they are sufficient
Plotloss said:
teapea said:
Also with HDMI cables it makes no odds if you use a 5.99 cable or a 59.99 cable digital is digital, a 1 and a 0 will always be a 1 and a 0 its not like analogue
With the greatest respect.Nonsense.
Cable assembly standards makes as much, if not more difference in the digital domain as it does in the analogue domain.
Poorly terminated connectors on the end of the wire create reflections, which cause transition errors against the clocking of the signal.
This is especially noticeable with long cables, a higher quality HDMI cable that has been well manufactured will not experience the same level of attenuation as a poor cable. As digital signals suffer from the 'cliff effect' this can, over as short a distance as 10m mean the difference between getting a picture and not getting a picture.
Now I'm not about to justify going mad on solid gold conductors with an outer sheath of hand woven unicorn mane but there is a marked difference between crap and mid range so its worth spending a bit but not going mad. The 10% of total system cost rule on all cabling remains a relatively good one.
As for BD yes its worth it if you enjoy film.
You might as well say, 'all tyres are black and round so just buy the cheapest'. And that is of course nonsense too.
I'd rather have Bridgestone tyres on my car, rather than Linglong tyres.
The extra cost of the Bridgestone tyre pays for the R&D, the cost of the testing equipment etc. Testing HDMI cables is a very expensive business, testing equipment starts at around $200,000. As with everything in life, you get what you pay for. Buy cheap, you get cheap.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/long-h...
And for those that think upscaled DVD is just as good as Blu-Ray? Good luck getting your player to upscale lossy audio to lossless!
mp3manager said:
Erm. That chart shows the cheap cables doing very well compared to the expensive ones 
And of course the conclusion of the article - All the cables worked in the real world test
I saw some stuff on bluray and a very nice everything else for the first time a couple weeks ago. And I must say, it looked crap, everything was over brightened and the colours pointlessly sharp, and made it look practically cartoony. Sure didnt look like what real life looks like. Must say I dont really understand the point of all this crap, what happened to watching movies for the content rather than the prettiness of it?
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