And the police wonder why they are unpopular
Discussion
I pay towards the precept on the understanding that the police will investigate crimes against my person and property as part of the process of finding justice. However:
"Almost four in 10 crimes are not being investigated because police officers believe they cannot be solved.
"The offences include sex attacks, violent robberies, harassment, burglary and drug incidents.
"The Metropolitan Police, the country's largest police force, decided that more than half of crimes did not warrant full investigation as there was little chance of the culprit being caught, according to The Daily Mail.
"The Met said that in the 2007/8 financial year it "screened out" a total of 437,888 offences. These included 26,709 violent offences, 338 sex attacks, 5,562 robberies and more than 60,000 burglaries.
"For burglary, the Met only investigates one in three cases reported to them. In Bedfordshire, which last year screened out 42 per cent of crimes, one in three burglaries do not get a full investigation, while in Norfolk, 113 sex attacks were among the 42 per cent of crime screened out.
"Although the percentage of screened out crime falls for more serious offences the force still excluded 290 offences of violence, 12 sex attacks, 32 robberies and 16 drugs offences.
"It was found that across the country, of the 16 forces who replied to a Freedom of Information request, 39 per cent of crimes were screened out - an equivalent of 1.9 million out of the five million crimes reported."
Now I'll save vonhosen and all the other police apologists the trouble of pointing out shortages of funds and proioritisation and yadda yadda by saying violence, sex attacks and robberies are not something you can sweep under the carpet and just ignore. Reclassifying car theft as TWOCing does nothing to restore my car to me. Ignoring my stolen car radio means the little s
t who stole it will just move on to other things.
It is frankly appalling that the (NOT "our") police force is staffed by people who will not stand up and say "this is wrong." It is even more appalling that the police force is staffed by people who will trot along here shortly to tell me how wrong I am in being outraged that the police sweep 2 out of every 5 crimes under the carpet and just ignore them completely. In fact, based on previous PH discussions, I wouldn't be at all surprised to somehow be blamed for this state of affairs by a police officer.
My understanding of why I pay towards the precept is probably wrong, I know. It's really just another tax on me to feed another bungling and inept bureaucracy that is far too closely aligned to the government of the day and cares nothing for its ostensible "clients."
"Almost four in 10 crimes are not being investigated because police officers believe they cannot be solved.
"The offences include sex attacks, violent robberies, harassment, burglary and drug incidents.
"The Metropolitan Police, the country's largest police force, decided that more than half of crimes did not warrant full investigation as there was little chance of the culprit being caught, according to The Daily Mail.
"The Met said that in the 2007/8 financial year it "screened out" a total of 437,888 offences. These included 26,709 violent offences, 338 sex attacks, 5,562 robberies and more than 60,000 burglaries.
"For burglary, the Met only investigates one in three cases reported to them. In Bedfordshire, which last year screened out 42 per cent of crimes, one in three burglaries do not get a full investigation, while in Norfolk, 113 sex attacks were among the 42 per cent of crime screened out.
"Although the percentage of screened out crime falls for more serious offences the force still excluded 290 offences of violence, 12 sex attacks, 32 robberies and 16 drugs offences.
"It was found that across the country, of the 16 forces who replied to a Freedom of Information request, 39 per cent of crimes were screened out - an equivalent of 1.9 million out of the five million crimes reported."
Now I'll save vonhosen and all the other police apologists the trouble of pointing out shortages of funds and proioritisation and yadda yadda by saying violence, sex attacks and robberies are not something you can sweep under the carpet and just ignore. Reclassifying car theft as TWOCing does nothing to restore my car to me. Ignoring my stolen car radio means the little s
t who stole it will just move on to other things.It is frankly appalling that the (NOT "our") police force is staffed by people who will not stand up and say "this is wrong." It is even more appalling that the police force is staffed by people who will trot along here shortly to tell me how wrong I am in being outraged that the police sweep 2 out of every 5 crimes under the carpet and just ignore them completely. In fact, based on previous PH discussions, I wouldn't be at all surprised to somehow be blamed for this state of affairs by a police officer.
My understanding of why I pay towards the precept is probably wrong, I know. It's really just another tax on me to feed another bungling and inept bureaucracy that is far too closely aligned to the government of the day and cares nothing for its ostensible "clients."
When my car was vandalised it was watched by an off beat special and had a houseful of people that would attest that the accused was drunk and being violent to people and/or objects around him.
They didn't do a fking thing, they even told me they weren't taking it any further IT WAS A fkING CRIME FFS, and that is probably the source of most of my hatred and synicism on here!
They didn't do a f
king thing, they even told me they weren't taking it any further IT WAS A fkING CRIME FFS, and that is probably the source of most of my hatred and synicism on here!I've posted this before, but I witnessed a crime on the M25 and took some photos of it (while stationery in a traffic jam). When I got to my destination I called plod and they said they were very interested in my evidence. I then said that I'd used my phone to take the photos and they came back to me saying "Mr srebbe we may press charges for using a mobile phone in the car". I kid you not. I hung up and have decided that I'm not going to bother reporting crime anymore!!!
TheEnd said:
Often the Police's hands are tied by the CPS.
They'll nab some scrote and the CPS will throw the case out for lack of evidence, a typo on a charge sheet etc.
That wouldn't account for the lack of investigation. I think the 'beef' is that they don't even bother trying to get certain cases to court because they just assume there's no point.They'll nab some scrote and the CPS will throw the case out for lack of evidence, a typo on a charge sheet etc.
Jsys said:
TheEnd said:
Often the Police's hands are tied by the CPS.
They'll nab some scrote and the CPS will throw the case out for lack of evidence, a typo on a charge sheet etc.
That wouldn't account for the lack of investigation. I think the 'beef' is that they don't even bother trying to get certain cases to court because they just assume there's no point.They'll nab some scrote and the CPS will throw the case out for lack of evidence, a typo on a charge sheet etc.
TheEnd said:
Often the Police's hands are tied by the CPS.
They'll nab some scrote and the CPS will throw the case out for lack of evidence, a typo on a charge sheet etc.
lol this is another load of BS the BIB like to hide behind, again I have said this before, I used to share a house with a CPS solicitor, and the level of incompetence of the police forced them to throw cases out, they can only press ahead if there is a good chance of a conviction, when the bib get things like the scroates name wrong then what chance will they have? most bib have very little actual knowledge of the law, my house mate took great delight literally throwing out 2 bib who invited themselves into our house during a party.They'll nab some scrote and the CPS will throw the case out for lack of evidence, a typo on a charge sheet etc.
I once bought an engine that turned out to be stolen. I asked to see the engine number, and was shown the part number. I know, I know, I was daft, but not as daft as the oficer I initially spoke to.
I reported it to plod, and the muppet I spoke to said "Sir, we will probably charge you with receiving stolen goods. Please do not hang up Sir, I have your telephone number" I took great delight in letting him know that his ineptitude typified the public's opinion of the police and that I was calling from behind my companies UK switchboard. I wished him luck in tracing me amoungst my companies 10,000 odd employees and hung up.
I reported it to plod, and the muppet I spoke to said "Sir, we will probably charge you with receiving stolen goods. Please do not hang up Sir, I have your telephone number" I took great delight in letting him know that his ineptitude typified the public's opinion of the police and that I was calling from behind my companies UK switchboard. I wished him luck in tracing me amoungst my companies 10,000 odd employees and hung up.
it isn't really an excuse, but when you know that to catch a burglar, you really need to grab him in the building, with something in his hand, heading towards a door, otherwise the CPS will cry off that he's a nice guy that was helping out a friend by storing someone else's good, you'll start getting that "what's the point?" attitude.
not turning up when someone is waving a crossbow is shocking.
i can't excuse all of the problems, just i'd like to out over the view that they don't just have to fight the criminals, but also the lawyers too
not turning up when someone is waving a crossbow is shocking.
i can't excuse all of the problems, just i'd like to out over the view that they don't just have to fight the criminals, but also the lawyers too
smilerbaker said:
labour, tough on crime 
you also forgot the fact they decriminalised a whole raft of crimes, eg credit card fraud as they couldn't even be arsed to hand out crime numbers for them
I understood the problem with credit card crime was that if you or I walk into a police station to report our crimes it only actually becomes a crime if the credit card company confirm that the card was stolen.you also forgot the fact they decriminalised a whole raft of crimes, eg credit card fraud as they couldn't even be arsed to hand out crime numbers for them
Apparently they will never do this (for their own reasons of hiding the true extent of it) and hence credit card fraud does not get treated.
Agree with the thrust of the post but as ever I think the problems are a bit more complex than just the police alone.
David
I was burgled a few years ago and the Police showed great interest - caught the burglars who were given 18 months each.
My garden shed was broken into last week and a mower stolen, the Police showed up and admitted that there was very little they could do (which I agreed with).
So credit where credit is due.
Equally I have felt the unpleasant end of Policing with rude and arrogant traffic Police.
Nolar Dog said:
It's the CPS that are the out of touch s.
see above, the cps have targets too, if the case the bib present is a load of old rubbish and they stand zero chance of winning then they throw it out. some of the bib mistakes my housemate showed me where trully shocking. I don't imagine the bib have got any better in the past 14 years.s.Gassing Station | The Pie & Piston Archive | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff