PH Opinion Please!
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Could do with a few quick answers from people here please. I purchased a phone for my mother for her xmas today. The guy (who seemed completely clueless, ie couldn't open any of the phone etc) told us the phone we bought had to be on charge for atleast 12-16hrs and even if the battery says full (which it does after 3hrs) we are to keep it on ATLEAST 12hrs.
Now this has caused alot of s
t to put it bluntly. My mother has spoken to atleast 5 people who claim only charging it for a few hours is fine and they have no problems etc. My point is: How do they know?! Do they charge it full then check the standby time or full calltime times as indicated by the books? Dont think so!
Any PH battery experts could advise would be much appreciated!
PS - I got exactly the same phone a week back and didn't charge the battery as requested and does not seem like it's holding the charge. No-one told me and I cant see it in the manual. So I had the cunning plan of charging mine to the full and swapping them for her cheek!
Now this has caused alot of s
t to put it bluntly. My mother has spoken to atleast 5 people who claim only charging it for a few hours is fine and they have no problems etc. My point is: How do they know?! Do they charge it full then check the standby time or full calltime times as indicated by the books? Dont think so!Any PH battery experts could advise would be much appreciated!
PS - I got exactly the same phone a week back and didn't charge the battery as requested and does not seem like it's holding the charge. No-one told me and I cant see it in the manual. So I had the cunning plan of charging mine to the full and swapping them for her cheek!
I remember reading something many years ago that they have to be charged for a very long time to fill all of the cells up or something first time around. Many electrical items have this detailed in the instructions.
Likewise it is said to be good practise to fully discharge a battery and then recharge for a similar period, to refresh it. There is actually a maintenance scenario just like this for lap top battery's.
But that could be out of date info, sorry.
Likewise it is said to be good practise to fully discharge a battery and then recharge for a similar period, to refresh it. There is actually a maintenance scenario just like this for lap top battery's.
But that could be out of date info, sorry.
Gun said:
I always charge new phones for about 12 hours, think it reduces the battery life but that might only have applied to older phones. Just get a long extension lead and play with it while charging?
Think that defeats the purpose if you are going to be anal about it as you are using some of the charge while it is plugged in. Plus, then you run the risk of 'overcharging' by leaving it overnight.It's a 6500 if anyone has any info about these types of batteries.
elster said:
My first quick answer.
You're family really needs to worry less about the charging of a battery.
But in reality with Li-Ion batteries it doesn't matter.
Well it came down to You're family really needs to worry less about the charging of a battery.
But in reality with Li-Ion batteries it doesn't matter.
'my friends say you don't need to charge it long'.
me: 'I think it's agreed to be good practice to get minimum 12hrs. plus you are not getting the present until xmas day'
mum: in the huff. no joke. pfft!
sm0273 said:
Gun said:
I always charge new phones for about 12 hours, think it reduces the battery life but that might only have applied to older phones. Just get a long extension lead and play with it while charging?
Think that defeats the purpose if you are going to be anal about it as you are using some of the charge while it is plugged in. Plus, then you run the risk of 'overcharging' by leaving it overnight.It's a 6500 if anyone has any info about these types of batteries.
No really you just want to not let them die completely, however with mobiles they don't allow you too anyway.
Keep topping up a mobile when you can is better than letting it completely run flat then charging up again.
This all depends on the battery type.
If it's a Lithium Ion battery, then it is impossible to overcharge it and it should be topped up regularly as it does not suffer the 'memory effect'. There is no need to fully discharge/recharge (in fact doing so can lower performance/life). Most phones now contain these and it will indeed take a few discharge/recharge cycles to reach its full capacity. When it says it's charged it will indeed be fully charged and electronic circuitry will prevent it being charged any more - so feel free to disconnect it.
However, if it's a NiMH or NiCad, then it does suffer the memory effect and should therefore be fully discharged/recharged once a month or so to maintain performance and needs to be left on charge for ~24hrs the first time it's used.
If it's a Lithium Ion battery, then it is impossible to overcharge it and it should be topped up regularly as it does not suffer the 'memory effect'. There is no need to fully discharge/recharge (in fact doing so can lower performance/life). Most phones now contain these and it will indeed take a few discharge/recharge cycles to reach its full capacity. When it says it's charged it will indeed be fully charged and electronic circuitry will prevent it being charged any more - so feel free to disconnect it.
However, if it's a NiMH or NiCad, then it does suffer the memory effect and should therefore be fully discharged/recharged once a month or so to maintain performance and needs to be left on charge for ~24hrs the first time it's used.
Edited by wiffmaster on Wednesday 24th December 21:08
wiffmaster said:
This all depends on the battery type.
If it's a Lithium Ion battery, then it is impossible to overcharge it and it should be topped up regularly as it does not suffer the 'memory effect'. There is no need to fully discharge/recharge (in fact doing so can lower performance/life). Most phones now contain these and it will indeed take a few discharge/recharge cycles to reach its full capacity. When it says it's charged it will indeed be fully charged and electronic circuitry will prevent it being charged any more - so feel free to disconnect it.
However, if it's a NiMH or NiCad, then it does suffer the memory effect and should therefore be fully discharged/recharged once a month or so to maintain performance and needs to be left on charge for ~24hrs the first time it's used.
Thanks. Great reply. Anyone know if nokia 6500's are NiMH?If it's a Lithium Ion battery, then it is impossible to overcharge it and it should be topped up regularly as it does not suffer the 'memory effect'. There is no need to fully discharge/recharge (in fact doing so can lower performance/life). Most phones now contain these and it will indeed take a few discharge/recharge cycles to reach its full capacity. When it says it's charged it will indeed be fully charged and electronic circuitry will prevent it being charged any more - so feel free to disconnect it.
However, if it's a NiMH or NiCad, then it does suffer the memory effect and should therefore be fully discharged/recharged once a month or so to maintain performance and needs to be left on charge for ~24hrs the first time it's used.
Edited by wiffmaster on Wednesday 24th December 21:08
Thanks again. Just checked my phone and its Li-ion. No idea what NiMH or NiCad is though!
In summary I am supposed to let it charge, use, recharge for a few cycles then!?
Edited by sm0273 on Wednesday 24th December 21:38
Nokia 6500s use Lithium Polymer batteries (as will any phone made in the last few years). If the phone is saying it's fully charged, then the circuits are preventing it from being charged any more and so you can disconnect it with no negative long term effects. From then on, just plug it in whenever you want or if it starts running low (I just plug mine in every night). No need for it to be fully discharged before you recharge - top up as often as you need. It'll take a few cycles to get maximum performance. It's actually impossible to fully discharge these batteries - the phone cuts out way before the battery's fully empty.
Sadly, the battery life on the 6500s is known to be very poor (friend's at uni barely lasts more than a day) so don't be surprised if you have to recharge it often!
The 12-24hrs advice is largely irrelevant these days - it's just left over from when NiMH/NiCad batteries were the norm in small portable devices.
Sadly, the battery life on the 6500s is known to be very poor (friend's at uni barely lasts more than a day) so don't be surprised if you have to recharge it often!
The 12-24hrs advice is largely irrelevant these days - it's just left over from when NiMH/NiCad batteries were the norm in small portable devices.
Edited by wiffmaster on Wednesday 24th December 21:43
Edited by wiffmaster on Wednesday 24th December 21:45
sm0273 said:
Well it came down to
'my friends say you don't need to charge it long'.
me: 'I think it's agreed to be good practice to get minimum 12hrs. plus you are not getting the present until xmas day'
mum: in the huff. no joke. pfft!
Take it back and give her a box of quality street.'my friends say you don't need to charge it long'.
me: 'I think it's agreed to be good practice to get minimum 12hrs. plus you are not getting the present until xmas day'
mum: in the huff. no joke. pfft!
sm0273 said:
Feck. we just got two. it had one of the longr standby times and call times when I checked the argos book compared to the rest.
Thanks and have a good xmas!
No worries, hope you have a good Christmas too! Hopefully Nokia can sort the battery issues with a software update in the future. Bit of a discussion going on here if you're interested: http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/m...Thanks and have a good xmas!
mas99 said:
sm0273 said:
Well it came down to
'my friends say you don't need to charge it long'.
me: 'I think it's agreed to be good practice to get minimum 12hrs. plus you are not getting the present until xmas day'
mum: in the huff. no joke. pfft!
Take it back and give her a box of quality street.'my friends say you don't need to charge it long'.
me: 'I think it's agreed to be good practice to get minimum 12hrs. plus you are not getting the present until xmas day'
mum: in the huff. no joke. pfft!
Well you could always present it to her tomorrow and say 'By the way, bung it on charge for 12 hours before you use it'.
Doesn't seem like the end of the world frankly. Why does everybody have to have everything NOW, and get really stroppy if it take 5 seconds longer? Is it the internet that makes us all so impatient?
Doesn't seem like the end of the world frankly. Why does everybody have to have everything NOW, and get really stroppy if it take 5 seconds longer? Is it the internet that makes us all so impatient?
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