Gen 1, 2 or 3?
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fozwanger

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80 posts

206 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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Hi,

Gonna put a vipermotor in my rod but which one is best?

Anywhere over here that breaks / sells drop out packages?

Any comments on internals, reliability, tuning etc etc would be greatly received

Cheers

Jeff

V1PER

6,630 posts

282 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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There is a guy that has put a Gen3 motor (8.3) in a cateram...

Would probably go gen 2 or 3 for ease of tuning,As most stuff is plug and play where as the Gen1 motor the seems to be alot more wiring work to be done......

viper paul

2,485 posts

296 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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Baz,

You sure it was a Caterham?? We managed to squeeze a custom built V8 2.9 Ltr into a wide body but it was so tight, sure it was not a Westfield thats more likely as they do do a Rover V8 option???

If it was me in a rod I would go with the Gen III it produces more power for the same fitting agro only down side is likely to be the cost of a GEN III over a Gen II which would my second choice, you would also need the complete ECU from either car to enable the correct sensors.

I have seen one in the US with a Viper power unit in a PT Cruiser with rear wheel drive so I guess anything is possible.


Viper

10,005 posts

295 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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http://passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1775...

http://www.x2builders.com/gallery.asp?page_id=item...

there's been a couple of viper emgine builds over here, getting bits in the UK is practically impossible unless you fall very lucky. One guy brought a rolling chassis with engine from X2builders.com took off what he wanted then sold the un-wanted bits




Edited by Viper on Monday 29th December 15:16

fozwanger

Original Poster:

80 posts

206 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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Cheers guys, it was a lotus style kit car, it wasn't a caterham but that style.
I've been told that the gen 1's aren't desirable, the 2's have forged internals upto 2000 than everything onwards is cast. Cast is good providing you don't wanna tune it too much. I've actually found a roplled ram srt down the road and am convincing the guy to sell me the running gear, he's agreed but we've gotta agree on a price. I've emailed the guys at x2 and they basically sell drop out i=units, everthing you need, power up ecu and add fuel and it'll run which is what I'm after.
For the record, I'm building a morris viper.........
I was after whether either of the gen2 or 3 was better than the other, which is a better tuning base etc etc. Willprob go for the gen 3 ram unit and that should make me poo my pants enough me thinks...........

Viper

10,005 posts

295 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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sounds good, keep us posted, pics and all

nismobrown

572 posts

273 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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i think 99 was the last year to have forged pistons as standard ?

fozwanger

Original Poster:

80 posts

206 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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Well, the cars due up on the chassis table at the end of jan for her full tube so I'll get some pics up as and when

Jeff

V1PER

6,630 posts

282 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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I'm building a morris viper.........


COOL make it a traveler and turn it into a pickup.....

Mate had one years ago with a lotus twin cam in it......

viper paul

2,485 posts

296 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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Really looking forward to the pics 1st car I rallied was a Morris Minor with 1275 MG engine

V1PER

6,630 posts

282 months

Monday 29th December 2008
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Paul
My Grandad still has a genuine 50k mile and 50yr old minor in A1++++++++++ condition strill trying to get it out of him.....

fozwanger

Original Poster:

80 posts

206 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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She's a '53 black splitty, been fully restored and then failed mot on rotten chassis (can't believe thay had eberything done except the chassis) and she should look virtually stock except being low and having vintage slot mags and a louvered bonnet. The open exhausts are going to exit just beind the front wheel thru the wing, nice.......

viper paul

2,485 posts

296 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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So the best bit must be only needs an MOT to take to the road??? Or is it so modded that it needs a full inspection???

BTW I love Rods.

fozwanger

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80 posts

206 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Have a look on photobucket, type in fozwager and you'll see the twin turbo'd V8 morris I've just sold (after a little prang!!!)she ran 12's dead on standing quarter with 3.1 0 - 60, that's why I'm going this mad to go one better.....

fozwanger

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80 posts

206 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Lets put it this way, the only bit that's morris will be the shell, I'll just register it with the new engine, shouold be ok, I hope....

RT/10Dave

6,364 posts

230 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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I've tried searching Photobucket, but unfortunately can't find what I'm looking for... Do you have a Link?

Jeff, are you the owner of the red HotRod just inside the entrance of the Beauliea Motor Museum? I was speaking with the owner of that car a couple of months ago about Viper Engines and sent him in the direction of the Viper Forum here at Pistonheads as he was thinking of using a Viper Engine for a Hotrod project.

bigviper

3,365 posts

252 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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dave try fozwanger ( spelling mistake ) wink

Edited by bigviper on Wednesday 31st December 12:20

RT/10Dave

6,364 posts

230 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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Cheers Rich... Link incase anyone else had the same issue...

http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp49/fozwanger/

fozwanger

Original Poster:

80 posts

206 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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Hi,

No, that's not my motor, I was actually on the way to the haynes motor museum thingy when I smashed her up!!!!!!

Didn't wanna o v8 turbo again, was thinking LS1 or 6 but seen a couple of those around, hence the viper choice.