Building a garage

[dan101smith]

Assuming a decent piece of land and no unexpected problems, does anyone know roughly what it would cost to get a good sized brick double garage built? Nothing too flashy, just big enough for 2 cars and some room around them.

[MikeyT]

I'm guessing 10k minimum - you want all the stuff though - decent lighting, good tool storage , a nice floor, electric door etc ... plan it well and it'll look great. WHy has it got to be brick? (Although I think brick is the best) - what about breeze blocks - a lot cheaper. Mine is brick and rendered which is why it cosy £6k plus 10 years ago.

Edit: a double ... say £13k

Edited by MikeyT on Tuesday 30th December 12:08

[B17NNS]

Quite a lot I would imagine.

Not to hard to work out I wouldn't have thought - just tot up the material costs.

[GKP]

You'll have to wait for King Herald to spot this thread. He's recently built a goodly sized garage with his own fair hands. It looks good, too.

[NDA]

It cost me £30k to build an oak 3 car barn with a lot of groundwork involved and £40k to build a 4 car sized barn with no ground work but fully insulated and with electricity connected up included.

Groundwork on the various quotes I had seemed to be up to 30% of the total cost.

The cost, would, of course, depend on what type of building you had (oak, brick, etc). I would advise that you go for the biggest size you can possibly go for in terms of cost and planning permission. Within roughly 5 minutes of construction you will fill it with the junk of ages! Drinks fridges, lawn mowers, a work bench, spare tyres, crap from the attic.....

[jkennyd]

I've been getting quotes for garages at around 32' long by 12' with the electric doors etc. The cheapest come in at £4200 for concrete sections without the floor and up to £16000 for brick and floor. Its all about budget I'm afraid. I'm still trying to figure out what I really need.

[jollygreen]

I've been quoted £13k for supply/erect of a steel portal frame 8m x 12m x 3.2m (at ridge). Say £3k for groundworks, £5k for cladding and £2k for sparks. Bit bigger than you're maybe talking about though.

So that's about £260/m2.

Edited by jollygreen on Tuesday 30th December 12:44

[NiceCupOfTea]

10-15k is roughly what we've been quoted for slightly wider and longer than single garage, but that's with a pitched roof and rendered to make it look a bit nicer on the outside.

Really big consideration for us is that we also need to get the drive done which will nearly double the quote!

[E36GUY]

what about something along these lines. This is clearly quite a big option but you can get a single car equiv for about £800

http://www.leisurebuildings.com/large_pictures/cap...

[jollygreen]

E36GUY said:

what about something along these lines. This is clearly quite a big option but you can get a single car equiv for about £800

http://www.leisurebuildings.com/large_pictures/cap...

Something not right...

[dan101smith]

E36GUY said:

what about something along these lines. This is clearly quite a big option but you can get a single car equiv for about £800

http://www.leisurebuildings.com/large_pictures/cap...

There is absolutely no way I'd get SWMBO to go with that.

[jollygreen]

The good thing as well is that if you own a decent amount of land >1 or 2 acres, you can have it re-classified as agricultural (costs about £40) and you can build an agricultural shed without planning permission...

That's one of my projects for this year.

[AstonZagato]

jollygreen said:

The good thing as well is that if you own a decent amount of land >1 or 2 acres, you can have it re-classified as agricultural (costs about £40) and you can build an agricultural shed without planning permission...

That's one of my projects for this year.

I thought that the agricultural shed had to be open on three sides (ie a giant car port) to not require planning.

[Pupp]

AstonZagato said:

jollygreen said:

The good thing as well is that if you own a decent amount of land >1 or 2 acres, you can have it re-classified as agricultural (costs about £40) and you can build an agricultural shed without planning permission...

That's one of my projects for this year.

I thought that the agricultural shed had to be open on three sides (ie a giant car port) to not require planning.

Not quite:

Town and Country Planning General Permitted Development Order 1995 said:

PART 6


AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS AND OPERATIONS


Class A Development on units of 5 hectares or more
Permitted development
A. The carrying out on agricultural land comprised in an agricultural unit of 5 hectares or more in area of—


(a) works for the erection, extension or alteration of a building; or


(b) any excavation or engineering operations,
which are reasonably necessary for the purposes of agriculture within that unit.
Development not permitted
A.1 Development is not permitted by Class A if—


(a) the development would be carried out on a separate parcel of land forming part of the unit which is less than 1 hectare in area;


(b) it would consist of, or include, the erection, extension or alteration of a dwelling;


(c) it would involve the provision of a building, structure or works not designed for agricultural purposes;


(d) the ground area which would be covered by—


(i) any works or structure (other than a fence) for accommodating livestock or any plant or machinery arising from engineering operations; or


(ii) any building erected or extended or altered by virtue of Class A,
would exceed 465 square metres, calculated as described in paragraph D.2 below;


(e) the height of any part of any building, structure or works within 3 kilometres of the perimeter of an aerodrome would exceed 3 metres;


(f) the height of any part of any building, structure or works not within 3 kilometres of the perimeter of an aerodrome would exceed 12 metres;


(g) any part of the development would be within 25 metres of a metalled part of a trunk road or classified road;


(h) it would consist of, or include, the erection or construction of, or the carrying out of any works to, a building, structure or an excavation used or to be used for the accommodation of livestock or for the storage of slurry or sewage sludge where the building, structure or excavation is, or would be, within 400 metres of the curtilage of a protected building; or


(i) it would involve excavations or engineering operations on or over article 1(6) land which are connected with fish farming.
Conditions
A.2(1) Development is permitted by Class A subject to the following conditions—


(a) where development is carried out within 400 metres of the curtilage of a protected building, any building, structure, excavation or works resulting from the development shall not be used for the accommodation of livestock except in the circumstances described in paragraph D.3 below or for the storage of slurry or sewage sludge;


(b) where the development involves—


(i) the extraction of any mineral from the land (including removal from any disused railway embankment); or


(ii) the removal of any mineral from a mineral-working deposit,
the mineral shall not be moved off the unit;


(c) waste materials shall not be brought on to the land from elsewhere for deposit except for use in works described in Class A(a) or in the provision of a hard surface and any materials so brought shall be incorporated forthwith into the building or works in question.


(2) Subject to paragraph (3), development consisting of—


(a) the erection, extension or alteration of a building;


(b) the formation or alteration of a private way;


(c) the carrying out of excavations or the deposit of waste material (where the relevant area, as defined in paragraph D.4 below, exceeds 0.5 hectare); or


(d) the placing or assembly of a tank in any waters,
is permitted by Class A subject to the following conditions—


(i) the developer shall, before beginning the development, apply to the local planning authority for a determination as to whether the prior approval of the authority will be required to the siting, design and external appearance of the building, the siting and means of construction of the private way, the siting of the excavation or deposit or the siting and appearance of the tank, as the case may be;


(ii) the application shall be accompanied by a written description of the proposed development and of the materials to be used and a plan indicating the site together with any fee required to be paid;


(iii) the development shall not be begun before the occurrence of one of the following—
(aa) the receipt by the applicant from the local planning authority of a written notice of their determination that such prior approval is not required;
(bb) where the local planning authority give the applicant notice within 28 days following the date of receiving his application of their determination that such prior approval is required, the giving of such approval; or
(cc) the expiry of 28 days following the date on which the application was received by the local planning authority without the local planning authority making any determination as to whether such approval is required or notifying the applicant of their determination;


(iv)
(aa) where the local planning authority give the applicant notice that such prior approval is required the applicant shall display a site notice by site display on or near the land on which the proposed development is to be carried out, leaving the notice in position for not less than 21 days in the period of 28 days from the date on which the local planning authority gave the notice to the applicant;
(bb) where the site notice is, without any fault or intention of the applicant, removed, obscured or defaced before the period of 21 days referred to in sub-paragraph (aa) has elapsed, he shall be treated as having complied with the requirements of that sub-paragraph if he has taken reasonable steps for protection of the notice and, if need be, its replacement;


(v) the development shall, except to the extent that the local planning authority otherwise agree in writing, be carried out—
(aa) where prior approval is required, in accordance with the details approved;
(bb) where prior approval is not required, in accordance with the details submitted with the application; and


(vi) the development shall be carried out—
(aa) where approval has been given by the local planning authority, within a period of five years from the date on which approval was given;
(bb) in any other case, within a period of five years from the date on which the local planning authority were given the information referred to in sub-paragraph (d)(ii).

(3) The conditions in paragraph (2) do not apply to the extension or alteration of a building if the building is not on article 1(6) land except in the case of a significant extension or a significant alteration.

(4) Development consisting of the significant extension or the significant alteration of a building may only be carried out once by virtue of Class A(a).



Class B Development on units of less than 5 hectares
Permitted development
B. The carrying out on agricultural land comprised in an agricultural unit of not less than 0.4 but less than 5 hectares in area of development consisting of—


(a) the extension or alteration of an agricultural building;


(b) the installation of additional or replacement plant or machinery;


(c) the provision, rearrangement or replacement of a sewer, main, pipe, cable or other apparatus;


(d) the provision, rearrangement or replacement of a private way;


(e) the provision of a hard surface;


(f) the deposit of waste; or


(g) the carrying out of any of the following operations in connection with fish farming, namely, repairing ponds and raceways; the installation of grading machinery, aeration equipment or flow meters and any associated channel; the dredging of ponds; and the replacement of tanks and nets,
where the development is reasonably necessary for the purposes of agriculture within the unit.
Development not permitted
B.1 Development is not permitted by Class B if—


(a) the development would be carried out on a separate parcel of land forming part of the unit which is less than 0.4 hectare in area;


(b) the external appearance of the premises would be materially affected;


(c) any part of the development would be within 25 metres of a metalled part of a trunk road or classified road;


(d) it would consist of, or involve, the carrying out of any works to a building or structure used or to be used for the accommodation of livestock or the storage of slurry or sewage sludge where the building or structure is within 400 metres of the curtilage of a protected building; or


(e) it would relate to fish farming and would involve the placing or assembly of a tank on land or in any waters or the construction of a pond in which fish may be kept or an increase (otherwise than by the removal of silt) in the size of any tank or pond in which fish may be kept.
B.2 Development is not permitted by Class B(a) if—


(a) the height of any building would be increased;


(b) the cubic content of the original building would be increased by more than 10%;


(c) any part of any new building would be more than 30 metres from the original building;


(d) the development would involve the extension, alteration or provision of a dwelling;


(e) any part of the development would be carried out within 5 metres of any boundary of the unit; or


(f) the ground area of any building extended by virtue of Class B(a) would exceed 465 square metres.
B.3 Development is not permitted by Class B(b) if—


(a) the height of any additional plant or machinery within 3 kilometres of the perimeter of an aerodrome would exceed 3 metres;


(b) the height of any additional plant or machinery not within 3 kilometres of the perimeter of an aerodrome would exceed 12 metres;


(c) the height of any replacement plant or machinery would exceed that of the plant or machinery being replaced; or


(d) the area to be covered by the development would exceed 465 square metres calculated as described in paragraph D.2 below.
B.4 Development is not permitted by Class B(e) if the area to be covered by the development would exceed 465 square metres calculated as described in paragraph D.2 below.
Conditions
B.5 Development permitted by Class B and carried out within 400 metres of the curtilage of a protected building is subject to the condition that any building which is extended or altered, or any works resulting from the development, shall not be used for the accommodation of livestock except in the circumstances described in paragraph D.3 below or for the storage of slurry or sewage sludge.
B.6 Development consisting of the extension or alteration of a building situated on article 1(6) land or the provision, rearrangement or replacement of a private way on such land is permitted subject to—


(a) the condition that the developer shall, before beginning the development, apply to the local planning authority for a determination as to whether the prior approval of the authority will be required to the siting, design and external appearance of the building as extended or altered or the siting and means of construction of the private way; and


(b) the conditions set out in paragraphs A.2(2)(ii) to (vi) above.
B.7 Development is permitted by Class B(f) subject to the following conditions—


(a) that waste materials are not brought on to the land from elsewhere for deposit unless they are for use in works described in Class B(a), (d) or (e) and are incorporated forthwith into the building or works in question; and


(b) that the height of the surface of the land will not be materially increased by the deposit.

[Jeux]

had a slightly bespoke ( double and a half with a wood store on the side)one of these - which i understand you can fit optional doors to as well,

http://www.nationalstables.co.uk/carriage_barns.as...

and it came in at £4500 which included putting it up, not including the groundworks or electrical work. - and felt shingled roof, which actually looked ok.

quite good value i thought, and only took them two days to finish - ..

[jkennyd]

Jeux said:

had a slightly bespoke ( double and a half with a wood store on the side)one of these - which i understand you can fit optional doors to as well,

http://www.nationalstables.co.uk/carriage_barns.as...

and it came in at £4500 which included putting it up, not including the groundworks or electrical work. - and felt shingled roof, which actually looked ok.

quite good value i thought, and only took them two days to finish - ..

Just phoned them for a brochure.....cheers

[NDA]

Jeux said:

had a slightly bespoke ( double and a half with a wood store on the side)one of these - which i understand you can fit optional doors to as well,

http://www.nationalstables.co.uk/carriage_barns.as...

and it came in at £4500 which included putting it up, not including the groundworks or electrical work. - and felt shingled roof, which actually looked ok.

quite good value i thought, and only took them two days to finish - ..

That sounds great value - are you pleased with the result?

[ss64ii]

I've just quoted £8000 labour for one but that was a pitch roof with small tiles, 8m x 8m, blockwork on 3 sides and brickwork to the front, including hanging doors, groundworks, guttering, the whole lot. I didnt get to see the plans so it was a bit hit and miss there so it's a ballpark figure for you to work from.
PM me if you need any further info or a quote.
Ian

[robwales]

On the theme of garages, if anyone wants some decent nearly new shelving and racking, get down your local Woolworths.

I bought 4ft x 10ft store room racks, 5 shelves each (350kg per shelf max), all steel (galvanised shelves), for £15 each. A damn good deal I think.
They're listed for £40 each, but as you see my haggling was successful.