Adding value to a farm?
Adding value to a farm?
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Boosted LS1

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21,200 posts

289 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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A neighbour/friend has inherited a small farm which will be sold at a later date but in the current economic climate I was wondering if they could increase it's value somehow. There are stables and a large barn (not brick though). Would provisional planning consent to convert the outbuildings into a granny annex or holiday accomodation be worth considering? Would something like this appeal to a prospective buyer? This is a very old property, the title deeds are on parchment but it's also very run down so needs a lot spending on it.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Blaster Bates had thoughts on this...

In order to get one over one's neighbours, one needs to dig a deep hole, then run all one's drains into it...

One is then unique in having one's own sh!thole...

I think that was the gist of it...

KingRichard

10,146 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Boosted LS1 said:
A neighbour/friend has inherited a small farm which will be sold at a later date but in the current economic climate I was wondering if they could increase it's value somehow. There are stables and a large barn (not brick though). Would provisional planning consent to convert the outbuildings into a granny annex or holiday accomodation be worth considering? Would something like this appeal to a prospective buyer? This is a very old property, the title deeds are on parchment but it's also very run down so needs a lot spending on it.
Depending on how much land is with it, do up the house, whack up a few stable blocks. Employ a few stablehands and run a livery yard.

You could sell hay, straw, shavings, feed onto the horsey people for a small profit too.

Equestrian properties are worth a bomb smile


groomi

9,331 posts

272 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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KingRichard said:
Boosted LS1 said:
A neighbour/friend has inherited a small farm which will be sold at a later date but in the current economic climate I was wondering if they could increase it's value somehow. There are stables and a large barn (not brick though). Would provisional planning consent to convert the outbuildings into a granny annex or holiday accomodation be worth considering? Would something like this appeal to a prospective buyer? This is a very old property, the title deeds are on parchment but it's also very run down so needs a lot spending on it.
Depending on how much land is with it, do up the house, whack up a few stable blocks. Employ a few stablehands and run a livery yard.

You could sell hay, straw, shavings, feed onto the horsey people for a small profit too.

Equestrian properties are worth a bomb smile
Agree with that.

Converting agricultural buildings to domestic dwellings is usually very, very difficult to get permission for - particularly if the farm is still active.

KingRichard

10,146 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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groomi said:
KingRichard said:
Boosted LS1 said:
A neighbour/friend has inherited a small farm which will be sold at a later date but in the current economic climate I was wondering if they could increase it's value somehow. There are stables and a large barn (not brick though). Would provisional planning consent to convert the outbuildings into a granny annex or holiday accomodation be worth considering? Would something like this appeal to a prospective buyer? This is a very old property, the title deeds are on parchment but it's also very run down so needs a lot spending on it.
Depending on how much land is with it, do up the house, whack up a few stable blocks. Employ a few stablehands and run a livery yard.

You could sell hay, straw, shavings, feed onto the horsey people for a small profit too.

Equestrian properties are worth a bomb smile
Agree with that.

Converting agricultural buildings to domestic dwellings is usually very, very difficult to get permission for - particularly if the farm is still active.
You can do it but they usually end up with an agricultural tie, ie: you can only sell it on to farm workers and only at a nominal price.

jimothy

5,151 posts

266 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Can't you just convert it all to hedgerows and get EU subsidies?

B17NNS

18,506 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Assuming the house and outbuildings are not listed I would speak to planning about the potential for demolition and the building of a new dwelling.

Building plots of that size are very rare.

If the planners hint that this may be doable I'd invest in a good architect to get outline planning for as big a house as possible and then fire the fecker off to auction.

KingRichard

10,146 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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B17NNS said:
Assuming the house and outbuildings are not listed I would speak to planning about the potential for demolition and the building of a new dwelling.

Building plots of that size are very rare.

If the planners hint that this may be doable I'd invest in a good architect to get outline planning for as big a house as possible and then fire the fecker off to auction.
Seeing as the Title Deeds are on parchment I'd imagine the house to be at least a few hundred years old, and it's highly likely to be listed.

KingRichard

10,146 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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jimothy said:
Can't you just convert it all to hedgerows and get EU subsidies?
hehe

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Rear sheep...

Vixpy would buy them...


NDA

25,591 posts

254 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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How much land and where?

The title deeds on parchment may not signify great age of the house particularly. I had a house a few years ago built in 1934 and the title deeds went back to the 1800's with wax seals and what-not, but these referred to the land before the house was built.

agric

367 posts

213 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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The horse charities are already seeing huge increase in people unable to justify keeping their animals in livery,
Let alone doing DIY on a field instead,

so just now would most definately NOT be the time to open a livery yard I reckon

KingRichard

10,146 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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agric said:
The horse charities are already seeing huge increase in people unable to justify keeping their animals in livery,
Let alone doing DIY on a field instead,

so just now would most definately NOT be the time to open a livery yard I reckon
Hmmm, I base most of my experience around racing yards - money there for sure if you know what you're doing hehe

thunderbelmont

2,982 posts

253 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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As much as it pains me to say it (being of farming stock, and on the hunt for a small farm with buildings), the key words are "Equestrian Property".

Just about a year ago, I was looking at a horticultural small-holding. A 3-bed semi-detatched house, with 8 acres of ground including glass houses, some of the ground could be classified as contaminated, etc.... Looking at it logically - 3 bed semi's with a half reasonable garden around here were fetching £175K. Agricultural land at the time (not registered for arable subsidies) worth £3600/acre. Less cost of demolishing/disposing of glass houses, and removing "contaminated soil" (approx £140K). Sold as an "Equestrian Property" for £495K (full asking price).

Two years prior to that, one of those properties was sold as a horticultural smallholding, to someone who uses it for that purpose, for £225K.

B*st*rd estate agents!


Jem0911

4,415 posts

230 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Office's from the out buildings.
Step dad has filled his old dairy with fifteen let units.
Has a long waiting list.

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

246 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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mybrainhurts said:
Blaster Bates had thoughts on this...

In order to get one over one's neighbours, one needs to dig a deep hole, then run all one's drains into it...

One is then unique in having one's own sh!thole...

I think that was the gist of it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOwven0Rt94

KingRichard

10,146 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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thunderbelmont said:
As much as it pains me to say it (being of farming stock, and on the hunt for a small farm with buildings), the key words are "Equestrian Property".

Just about a year ago, I was looking at a horticultural small-holding. A 3-bed semi-detatched house, with 8 acres of ground including glass houses, some of the ground could be classified as contaminated, etc.... Looking at it logically - 3 bed semi's with a half reasonable garden around here were fetching £175K. Agricultural land at the time (not registered for arable subsidies) worth £3600/acre. Less cost of demolishing/disposing of glass houses, and removing "contaminated soil" (approx £140K). Sold as an "Equestrian Property" for £495K (full asking price).

Two years prior to that, one of those properties was sold as a horticultural smallholding, to someone who uses it for that purpose, for £225K.

B*st*rd estate agents!
Why are they bds? Sounds to me like they valued the 'equestrian property' at the value someone would pay for it confused

That's their job...

KingRichard

10,146 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Jem0911 said:
Office's from the out buildings.
Step dad has filled his old dairy with fifteen let units.
Has a long waiting list.
I bet he's milking it in...

thunderbelmont

2,982 posts

253 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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KingRichard said:
thunderbelmont said:
As much as it pains me to say it (being of farming stock, and on the hunt for a small farm with buildings), the key words are "Equestrian Property".

Just about a year ago, I was looking at a horticultural small-holding. A 3-bed semi-detatched house, with 8 acres of ground including glass houses, some of the ground could be classified as contaminated, etc.... Looking at it logically - 3 bed semi's with a half reasonable garden around here were fetching £175K. Agricultural land at the time (not registered for arable subsidies) worth £3600/acre. Less cost of demolishing/disposing of glass houses, and removing "contaminated soil" (approx £140K). Sold as an "Equestrian Property" for £495K (full asking price).

Two years prior to that, one of those properties was sold as a horticultural smallholding, to someone who uses it for that purpose, for £225K.

B*st*rd estate agents!
Why are they bds? Sounds to me like they valued the 'equestrian property' at the value someone would pay for it confused

That's their job...
Correction : To get far more for a property that it's really worth. ie: to get what someone is willing (or daft enough) to pay for it.

Would you like to buy some Euro's? They're worth a fortune, ideal for buying "Equestrian Properties", or "Equestrian Items" in Europe. I'll sell them to you for £5 each. (that should work).


KingRichard

10,146 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Well that's just it isn't it? I wouldn't.

Doesn't mean someone won't perceive a value in paying over the odds for something though. If the market will pay it, why is an agent a bd for advising his client that the market will pay more?

That's all I was getting at smile