12ftx14ft enough?
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Grand Fromage

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1,518 posts

236 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Sister is planning an extension to her house, I think it is a bit ridiculous to extend on two stories costing upwards of £20k possible for only two rooms of 14ftx12ft. Does anyone else share these thoughts, or nowadays is that a good sized room?

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Yes, that's a decent sized room and I got several quotes over £20K for just one storey!

Chainguy

4,381 posts

229 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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I agree with you I'm afraid. Daft to have that cost for that return.

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Chainguy said:
I agree with you I'm afraid. Daft to have that cost for that return.
But it could be an extra reception room and an extra bedroom, either of which would put at least £20K on the value of the house.

T5R+

1,226 posts

238 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Depends on where and intended use.

London - easy answer = yes.

Rural location- probably not.

But £20K for a double storey with full fit out inc professional fees, would be a good price.

Chainguy

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229 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Simpo Two said:
Chainguy said:
I agree with you I'm afraid. Daft to have that cost for that return.
But it could be an extra reception room and an extra bedroom, either of which would put at least £20K on the value of the house.
Actually, sometimes, no, it doesn't. It depends on the home.

20k extra asking price can often shove a home into the next bracket up, where homes are more aesthetically pleasing or in a better area etc. You then have no chance recouping that 20k back on your less than pleasant looking home compared to others you percieve yours to share a bracket with.

Also, if you are in an estate where nothing is selling, shoving 2 rooms and another 20k onto the price tag does not help yours to sell, it hobbles it, because yours is now the most expensive house, and it's a different design (obviously) to the rest. People just dont like 'seller unique' in estates. Pyschology/studies have shown that. They prefer the crowd mentality.

Lastly, homes which have been extended (in Scotland anyways, this may not apply in England) never, ever make the money for their square footage that a home from initial concept and build make.

HTH

Simpo Two

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294 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Chainguy said:
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Well yes, I guess it all depends on whether you want to stay there and make it home, or constantly keep one eye on resale value.

Chainguy

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229 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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Simpo Two said:
Chainguy said:
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Well yes, I guess it all depends on whether you want to stay there and make it home, or constantly keep one eye on resale value.
Fair play fella. Sadly, people in this country don't really see houses as homes any more, they see them as 'investment opportunites', and thats pretty sad.

Still, thats a whole other thread really smile

Grand Fromage

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236 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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It is a rural house in rural Norfolk, it would take it from 4 bedrooms to five, and then fifth bedroom is certainly great, but then the downstairs would be a 'proper' study, which I think is a waste of space in a house that only has 2 receptions and one is muddled in a part sitting - part eating room. £20k is a rough guess by one builder, does it sound low?


Chainguy

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229 months

Tuesday 30th December 2008
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For a full finish job, including sorting the plans out with an architect and doing the necessary permission applications etc, yes, it does sound lowish.

Saying that, I know a few very good tradesies who are begging for any work they can get right now. Maybe he is a good guy who just needs the work.

jeff m

4,066 posts

287 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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The question of whether a 100% return on an improvement is possible is only relevant if she intends to sell.
If she intends to have the improvements done to avoid moving and incurring moving costs and will get the benifits of the improvements herself. Then it makes sense.
Although many "add-ons" do look a bit ugly IMO.

I bet half of us could get an extra room just by throwing out accumalated junksmile

Jasandjules

72,583 posts

258 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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Is she doing it to add value or just because she needs a fifth bedroom and a decent home study?

Either way I guess 20k sounds like a very good price - I'd definately double and triple check that included everything, my neighbour got a two storey extension priced between 30 and 50k.

AndrewTait

1,849 posts

223 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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Chainguy said:
Simpo Two said:
Chainguy said:
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Well yes, I guess it all depends on whether you want to stay there and make it home, or constantly keep one eye on resale value.
Fair play fella. Sadly, people in this country don't really see houses as homes any more, they see them as 'investment opportunites', and thats pretty sad.

Still, thats a whole other thread really smile
The house i'm in the middle of buying is going to be my home. Not bothered if the price goes down, as I can afford what I'm paying for it, and intend keeping it, thank you very much.

ss64ii

304 posts

247 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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My neighbour had a quote of £11,500 to build a single storey extension measuring 8x8. I've done it for £8,500.

TedMaul

2,092 posts

242 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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Would it not also depend on the size, layout and other rooms in the existing house? Having moved recently and seen some extensions, some rooms are massively out of proportion with the rest of the house, have dreadful access to them or they have created a fifth and sixth bedroom, but still only one tiny bathroom and no downstairs wc.

If the rooms are in proportion to the rest of the house and they are genuinely useable and, as others have said it doesn't push the asking price into competition with nicer houses in nicer areas, then it sounds like quite a good deal. If I could add a 14'x12' study and a fifth bedroom onto my house for 20k I would certainly do it as it fits in with what I have and would be pretty sure about making that 20k back at sale time.

dickymint

29,066 posts

287 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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Maybe larger would not get through planning?

JCB123

2,265 posts

225 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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Depends on quality of build/finish, it can cost between £600 and £1000/m2....

Drop me an email if you like and I can ve you a bit more information....

JCB

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2,646 posts

223 months

Wednesday 31st December 2008
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Jasandjules said:
my neighbour got a two storey extension priced between 30 and 50k.
Friends of mine are currently doing a sunroom and side extension with a garage and room above it. They had a budget of 35k to do both, completed the sunroom for 10k and are having to borrow another 10k to finish the side extension off and thats with them doing as much of the work themselves as they could, sourcing materials themselves and getting the plans done on the cheap. We've had quotes of about 14k just for a sunroom.