Iraqi murderers handed over at last.

[sjn2004]

Seems like the humans rights lawyers missed the boat on this one (thank god). Why anybody would want to defend people who murdered our soldiers is beyond me, sorry forgot, they get paid to do it.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081231/tuk-murder-acc...


I guess the electrodes are being applied right now! Where's that broom handle gone?

[glazbagun]

Defence is an integral part of the justice system. I cant think of many cases I wouldnt take if I were a defence lawyer. If they're so obviously guilty, then thats even better- since you have less work to do.

I'm always miffed at the hero status soldiers recieve in our media, though. They're paid to do a disgusting, if often neccesary job. Kill the guy who raped your sister and they'll lock you up. Kill a hundred Iraqi's/Serbs/Whoever single-handedly whilst forewarding your governments agenda and they give you a medal.

Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 31st December 20:13

[tinman0]

Funny old world isn't it? Two Iraqis being held on suspicion of killing two British soldiers using UK and European Human Rights law to prevent them being handed over to their own judiciary for fear of being tortured, despite committing the criminal act on their own soil.

Couldn't make it up really.

[glazbagun]

tinman0 said:

Funny old world isn't it? Two Iraqis being held on suspicion of killing two British soldiers using UK and European Human Rights law to prevent them being handed over to their own judiciary for fear of being tortured, despite committing the criminal act on their own soil.

Couldn't make it up really.

I'd like to know who bankrolled that appeal, out of curiosity.

[tinman0]

glazbagun said:

tinman0 said:

Funny old world isn't it? Two Iraqis being held on suspicion of killing two British soldiers using UK and European Human Rights law to prevent them being handed over to their own judiciary for fear of being tortured, despite committing the criminal act on their own soil.

Couldn't make it up really.

I'd like to know who bankrolled that appeal, out of curiosity.

We probably did through legal aid or something daft.

[eharding]

glazbagun said:

I'm always miffed at the hero status soldiers recieve in our media, though.

I hope you stay miffed for a very, very long time.

[dickkark]

Whilst not condoning the actions of these two men,
and putting aside any legal,moral or ethical arguments over the use of military action surely these people are not much different to WWII resistance fighters?
Fighting an occupying force using any means available,including underhand(all`s fair in love and war,they say)
This may sound cold,it`s not.
Before the cries of traitor ring out,I have family stationed in Iraq and afghanistan,it is clear that they accept that its the way of life for them, constantly on guard,but also accept that there is a risk of being killed by a booby trap or a sniper.
I`ll make it clear that I fully support our troops,100%.

But could you really say that if the French invaded and occupied England legally or not and you were against it that you would not do all you could to wound or inflict death upon your enemy?
Then would you expect England to turn you over to the French later?

[sjn2004]

dickkark said:

Whilst not condoning the actions of these two men,
and putting aside any legal,moral or ethical arguments over the use of military action surely these people are not much different to WWII resistance fighters?
Fighting an occupying force using any means available,including underhand(all`s fair in love and war,they say)
This may sound cold,it`s not.
Before the cries of traitor ring out,I have family stationed in Iraq and afghanistan,it is clear that they accept that its the way of life for them, constantly on guard,but also accept that there is a risk of being killed by a booby trap or a sniper.
I`ll make it clear that I fully support our troops,100%.

But could you really say that if the French invaded and occupied England legally or not and you were against it that you would not do all you could to wound or inflict death upon your enemy?
Then would you expect England to turn you over to the French later?

They're Iraqi but didn't want to be handed over to the Iraqi's(they seemed to want the occupying force to take them home with them which sort of contradicts their actions in trying to liberate their country). I guess they thought this time next week they'd be set up in a nice cosy council flat in the UK but got snookered and will now stand trial in Iraq.

[TommyTT]

One Man's Freedom Fighter is Another Man's Terrorist

[Simpo Two]

glazbagun said:

Kill a hundred Iraqi's/Serbs/Whoever single-handedly whilst forewarding your governments agenda and they give you a medal.

Seems fair to me. They join up to serve, not protest.

[glazbagun]

sjn2004 said:

dickkark said:

But could you really say that if the French invaded and occupied England legally or not and you were against it that you would not do all you could to wound or inflict death upon your enemy?
Then would you expect England to turn you over to the French later?

They're Iraqi but didn't want to be handed over to the Iraqi's(they seemed to want the occupying force to take them home with them which sort of contradicts their actions in trying to liberate their country). I guess they thought this time next week they'd be set up in a nice cosy council flat in the UK but got snookered and will now stand trial in Iraq.

I think it's more like a Frenchman killing an Axis soldier, being arrested, and not wanting to be turned over to Vichy France. His actions to the British are Murderous, but to the new Iraqi govt, they could perhaps be considered Treasonous.

[Parrot of Doom]

sjn2004 said:

Seems like the humans rights lawyers missed the boat on this one (thank god). Why anybody would want to defend people who murdered our soldiers is beyond me, sorry forgot, they get paid to do it.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081231/tuk-murder-acc...


I guess the electrodes are being applied right now! Where's that broom handle gone?

Sorry, remind me - where does that article state that they actually murdered anyone?

[ninja-lewis]

dickkark said:

Whilst not condoning the actions of these two men,
and putting aside any legal,moral or ethical arguments over the use of military action surely these people are not much different to WWII resistance fighters?
Fighting an occupying force using any means available,including underhand(all`s fair in love and war,they say)
This may sound cold,it`s not.
Before the cries of traitor ring out,I have family stationed in Iraq and afghanistan,it is clear that they accept that its the way of life for them, constantly on guard,but also accept that there is a risk of being killed by a booby trap or a sniper.
I`ll make it clear that I fully support our troops,100%.

But could you really say that if the French invaded and occupied England legally or not and you were against it that you would not do all you could to wound or inflict death upon your enemy?
Then would you expect England to turn you over to the French later?

They were captured by Fedayeen paramilitaries (i.e. official forces of the Saddam state) during an ambush, taken to a compound and then executed in cold blood. Had it been the other way round, the British soldier would be facing war crime charges.

[Jimbeaux]

TommyTT said:

One Man's Freedom Fighter is Another Man's Terrorist

Now that's original.

[Trooper2]

Jimbeaux said:

TommyTT said:

One Man's Freedom Fighter is Another Man's Terrorist

Now that's original.

....he's probably wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt Jimbeaux...

[Jimbeaux]

Trooper2 said:

Jimbeaux said:

TommyTT said:

One Man's Freedom Fighter is Another Man's Terrorist

Now that's original.

....he's probably wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt Jimbeaux...

A small faded one at that.

[Jasandjules]

glazbagun said:

Defence is an integral part of the justice system. I cant think of many cases I wouldnt take if I were a defence lawyer. If they're so obviously guilty, then thats even better- since you have less work to do.

No, but rather forutnately it's a fundamental aspect of our system that there are those who will take on a case and put a defence up on your behalf, and put the state to proof of your guilt. You would be ever more grateful for it if you were ever falsely accused of a heinous crime.

Defence counsel don't tend to get a choice in the matter, it's (in theory) a cab rank system where you simply get the next case which comes along.

[Popeyed]

Parrot of Doom said:

sjn2004 said:

Seems like the humans rights lawyers missed the boat on this one (thank god). Why anybody would want to defend people who murdered our soldiers is beyond me, sorry forgot, they get paid to do it.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081231/tuk-murder-acc...


I guess the electrodes are being applied right now! Where's that broom handle gone?

Sorry, remind me - where does that article state that they actually murdered anyone?

It doesn't obviously, they are only accused of said crime, but hey, don't let that get in the way of a another excuse for some hand wringing.