As many die in hospital through NHS errors as on the road !
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From the BBC
NHS Patient Error Deaths 'Rising'
The number of deaths due to errors is rising - More than 3,000 hospital patients have died because of errors by NHS staff in England over the past year, figures show.
Hospitals reported 3,645 deaths in 2007-8 from patient safety incidents, data from the Lib Dems showed. The figure included those relating to problems with scans and tests and hospital infections.
It represents a 60% rise in the last two years, but experts said it was due to better reporting not worsening care.
I noticed this on the BBC News web site and thought wow, that's as many as as killed on the roads. The government have a 24x7 campaign against drivers based on the statistic that 3,500 die each year in road accidents, shame they don't concentrate as much effort into correcting the state of the NHS. Oh hang on that doesn't generate £millions in revenue does it!
NHS Patient Error Deaths 'Rising'
The number of deaths due to errors is rising - More than 3,000 hospital patients have died because of errors by NHS staff in England over the past year, figures show.
Hospitals reported 3,645 deaths in 2007-8 from patient safety incidents, data from the Lib Dems showed. The figure included those relating to problems with scans and tests and hospital infections.
It represents a 60% rise in the last two years, but experts said it was due to better reporting not worsening care.
I noticed this on the BBC News web site and thought wow, that's as many as as killed on the roads. The government have a 24x7 campaign against drivers based on the statistic that 3,500 die each year in road accidents, shame they don't concentrate as much effort into correcting the state of the NHS. Oh hang on that doesn't generate £millions in revenue does it!
Gazboy said:
We haven't a death toll like that for our boys in Iraq! That's something to think about next time you go into your local hospital.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
Imagine..just imagine how funny it would be to discover the National Health service is killing more people than the Armed forces!!
I never look at P&P becuase it seems to be cluttered up with all sorts of strange stuff Hedders said:
Gazboy said:
We haven't a death toll like that for our boys in Iraq! That's something to think about next time you go into your local hospital.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
Imagine..just imagine how funny it would be to discover the National Health service is killing more people than the Armed forces!!
we need to find this out.bigTee said:
Hedders said:
Gazboy said:
We haven't a death toll like that for our boys in Iraq! That's something to think about next time you go into your local hospital.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
Imagine..just imagine how funny it would be to discover the National Health service is killing more people than the Armed forces!!
we need to find this out.I shouldn't laugh, but...
For the 12 months to Dec 2008, 4859 confirmed civilian deaths in Iraq.
Source:
http://icasualties.org/oif/Default.aspx
Source:
http://icasualties.org/oif/Default.aspx
Hedders said:
Gazboy said:
We haven't a death toll like that for our boys in Iraq! That's something to think about next time you go into your local hospital.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
Imagine..just imagine how funny it would be to discover the National Health service is killing more people than the Armed forces!!
dougc said:
For the 12 months to Dec 2008, 4859 confirmed civilian deaths in Iraq.
Source:
http://icasualties.org/oif/Default.aspx
This is by all the forces, US, UK etc.Source:
http://icasualties.org/oif/Default.aspx
I expect the UK forces toll is less than the NHS toll.
dictys said:
dougc said:
For the 12 months to Dec 2008, 4859 confirmed civilian deaths in Iraq.
Source:
http://icasualties.org/oif/Default.aspx
This is by all the forces, US, UK etc.Source:
http://icasualties.org/oif/Default.aspx
I expect the UK forces toll is less than the NHS toll.
MK4 Slowride said:
Hedders said:
Gazboy said:
We haven't a death toll like that for our boys in Iraq! That's something to think about next time you go into your local hospital.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
How many people do our military forces kill each year?
Would be an interesting comparison.
Imagine..just imagine how funny it would be to discover the National Health service is killing more people than the Armed forces!!
MK4 Slowride said:
esselte said:
Could you define "help and save"?
Err, probably but it'd take a long time & I don't have the skills to put is across properly so wouldn't even attempt it.Difficult one.
(not aimed at you...)RichB said:
From the BBC
NHS Patient Error Deaths 'Rising'
The number of deaths due to errors is rising - More than 3,000 hospital patients have died because of errors by NHS staff in England over the past year, figures show.
Hospitals reported 3,645 deaths in 2007-8 from patient safety incidents, data from the Lib Dems showed. The figure included those relating to problems with scans and tests and hospital infections.
It represents a 60% rise in the last two years, but experts said it was due to better reporting not worsening care.
I noticed this on the BBC News web site and thought wow, that's as many as as killed on the roads. The government have a 24x7 campaign against drivers based on the statistic that 3,500 die each year in road accidents, shame they don't concentrate as much effort into correcting the state of the NHS. Oh hang on that doesn't generate £millions in revenue does it!
World wide, the figure are staggering. Iatrogenic harm, accounts for some 10,000 deaths per DAY!!!!! That's more than HIV, RTAs, Natural Disasters and Terrorism. In fact, only smoking and lack of clean water top it as a cause of death - so if you smoke and get ill, don't go to hospital or you're [fraser]doomed[/fraser].NHS Patient Error Deaths 'Rising'
The number of deaths due to errors is rising - More than 3,000 hospital patients have died because of errors by NHS staff in England over the past year, figures show.
Hospitals reported 3,645 deaths in 2007-8 from patient safety incidents, data from the Lib Dems showed. The figure included those relating to problems with scans and tests and hospital infections.
It represents a 60% rise in the last two years, but experts said it was due to better reporting not worsening care.
I noticed this on the BBC News web site and thought wow, that's as many as as killed on the roads. The government have a 24x7 campaign against drivers based on the statistic that 3,500 die each year in road accidents, shame they don't concentrate as much effort into correcting the state of the NHS. Oh hang on that doesn't generate £millions in revenue does it!
Edited by rhinochopig on Tuesday 6th January 15:21
mybrainhurts said:
Thought it was 50,000 ish...?
I agree. I read the OP and thought "thats b
ks that is".The fact is, the NHS hasn't a clue how many people its killing through negligence and has no interest whatsoever in finding out either. But i've read a couple of items that had used extrapolated figures that shows it might be as high as 50,000 a year.
Hospitals reported 3,645 deaths in 2007-8 from patient safety incidents
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7813634.stm
Road deaths have fallen to their lowest level since records began in 1928, according to figures published by the Department for Transport. Last year a total of 2,946 people died - a 7% reduction on the previous year when 3,172 died.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7635345.stm
The total number of UK troops killed in operations in Iraq has reached 178 after a soldier died from a gunshot wound in Basra on 11 December 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3847051.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7813634.stm
Road deaths have fallen to their lowest level since records began in 1928, according to figures published by the Department for Transport. Last year a total of 2,946 people died - a 7% reduction on the previous year when 3,172 died.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7635345.stm
The total number of UK troops killed in operations in Iraq has reached 178 after a soldier died from a gunshot wound in Basra on 11 December 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3847051.stm
I've just googled Iatrogenic harm but it's not that clear to me.
googled page said:
Publication Type: Conference Paper/Unpublished Manuscript
Abstract: Iatrogenesis paradoxically refers to harms created by the practice of medicine. Medical sociologists, bioethicists, and physicians have all reported on the nature of iatrogenesis—what constitutes iatrogenic harm, who defines it, who experiences it, and what causes it. In this paper, I offer a preliminary review of important scholarship about these dimensions of iatrogenic harm. Then, I consider the case of Health Care Without Harm, a coalition of grassroots and professional social movement organizations, which since 1996, critiques health care as an environmentally unsustainable industry that contributes to the global burden of disease. By situating this case within the literature on iatrogenesis, I offer some suggestions about how Health Care Without Harm presents an alternate framing of iatrogenic harm that theoretically challenges us to rethink what constitutes an iatrogenic harm, who can be harmed, and who has the authority to label it iatrogenic in nature. This paper hopes to make two contributions. First, it adds to a burgeoning medical sociology literature on environmental health, and second, it begins to coalesce diverse writings about medically-induced harms.
So is it a fancy name for mistakes made by the doctors or is it bad reactions to treatments etc? I can't find an articulate description of it.Abstract: Iatrogenesis paradoxically refers to harms created by the practice of medicine. Medical sociologists, bioethicists, and physicians have all reported on the nature of iatrogenesis—what constitutes iatrogenic harm, who defines it, who experiences it, and what causes it. In this paper, I offer a preliminary review of important scholarship about these dimensions of iatrogenic harm. Then, I consider the case of Health Care Without Harm, a coalition of grassroots and professional social movement organizations, which since 1996, critiques health care as an environmentally unsustainable industry that contributes to the global burden of disease. By situating this case within the literature on iatrogenesis, I offer some suggestions about how Health Care Without Harm presents an alternate framing of iatrogenic harm that theoretically challenges us to rethink what constitutes an iatrogenic harm, who can be harmed, and who has the authority to label it iatrogenic in nature. This paper hopes to make two contributions. First, it adds to a burgeoning medical sociology literature on environmental health, and second, it begins to coalesce diverse writings about medically-induced harms.
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