With demise of retailers, do they really want to survive ?
With demise of retailers, do they really want to survive ?
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Small Car

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877 posts

228 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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There are a few threads about retailers and who is going to survive...

As of tonight I don't think some of them know how to. Haven't a clue. They need to take a look at the motor trade and be a bit more flexible.

I did my bit and bought an ipod (spend spend spend I am told) - went to the Apple store in Liverpool and asked them why it was a tenner cheaper four doors down in John Lewis. And that if they could price the same I would buy there and then.

They acted surprised, checked the John Lewis website and said they might be able to price match.

So 5 mins later and a consultation with the boss (is this the first time they have been asked ?!) sales laddie returned and said he had to call John Lewis to see if they had any in stock. He went up 2 floors to the boss again and called - returning 10 mins later to say he had not found out as they weren't able to tell him !

Finally after I asked to speak to the 'boss' he got fed up and did it for the JLP price. Now we are talking about nearly £300 of turnover, on a Weds night at nearly 8pm. Do they want to trade or not? What is their thinking behind this sort of tedium ? A tenner is worth saving yet it appears Apple are clueless or have huge confidence in their products ? Amazon is £20 cheaper - but I didn't want to upset them too much.

Does anyone understand retailing ? Or perhaps a tenner is not that important to most ?

Alfa_75_Steve

7,489 posts

229 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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If it was cheaper at John Lewis, why didn't you buy it there?

Much less painful than trying to get a price match.

V8mate

45,899 posts

218 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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ipods suck.

Pork

9,455 posts

263 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Perhaps they're not that bothered. I'd have gone to JLP if they had the same product for less.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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I am genuinely speechless.

Small Car

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877 posts

228 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Not being a techie I figured I would get better after sales support from the Apple Store rather from JLP who are more used to soft furnishings...

Alfa_75_Steve

7,489 posts

229 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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It'll be about margins, I reckon.

Apple Stores have huge overheads compared with a John Lewis shop - they have the product experts (who really do know what they're talking about and get paid as such), plus the 'genius bar' where they can fix most issues on the spot etc.

All this costs lots, especially when their 'genius bar' is supporting products bought cheaper elsewhere....

It's not often you find a variance in retail prices of Apple products, though.

Alfa_75_Steve

7,489 posts

229 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Small Car said:
Not being a techie I figured I would get better after sales support from the Apple Store rather from JLP who are more used to soft furnishings...
So you want to buy at mass-market prices, but want the support of an expert?

See my other post regarding prices.

Small Car

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877 posts

228 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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But given it is their product, would they not control the price to third parties that takes this in to consideration ?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

283 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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The last thing the boutique brand Apple want to do is sell stuff cheap. Discount on Apple stuff is rare, its not good for their image.

Hell their new macbook pro is spec'd up to over $10,000NZ in 3 clicks!!

Nolar Dog

8,786 posts

224 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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I just bought a brand new 8GB 4th Gen Nano off ebay.

Apple price £107.99
Ebay price £84.99

Bargain!

Puggit

49,790 posts

277 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Small Car said:
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But given it is their product, would they not control the price to third parties that takes this in to consideration ?
That would be illegal...

Alfa_75_Steve

7,489 posts

229 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Small Car said:
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But given it is their product, would they not control the price to third parties that takes this in to consideration ?
Their cost prices are set so that most retailers will sell for the same price as the Apple Store.

However, some retailers will sell at nil or negative margin in order to attract customers.

ACEparts_com

3,724 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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I should think the profit margin retailers get on apple stuff is less than 10%

mel

10,168 posts

304 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Alfa_75_Steve said:
It'll be about margins, I reckon.

Apple Stores have huge overheads compared with a John Lewis shop - they have the product experts (who really do know what they're talking about and get paid as such), plus the 'genius bar' where they can fix most issues on the spot etc.

All this costs lots, especially when their 'genius bar' is supporting products bought cheaper elsewhere....

It's not often you find a variance in retail prices of Apple products, though.
But they're also a manufacturer who are retailing directly to the end user, as such they get 2 bites of the margin apple so to speak.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Puggit said:
Small Car said:
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But given it is their product, would they not control the price to third parties that takes this in to consideration ?
That would be illegal...
Yes and the fine for price maintenance in the UK/EU is a percentage of worldwide turnover, I believe.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

283 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Small Car said:
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But given it is their product, would they not control the price to third parties that takes this in to consideration ?
Are the Apple stores actualy owned by apple or franchised?

Alfa_75_Steve

7,489 posts

229 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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mel said:
Alfa_75_Steve said:
It'll be about margins, I reckon.

Apple Stores have huge overheads compared with a John Lewis shop - they have the product experts (who really do know what they're talking about and get paid as such), plus the 'genius bar' where they can fix most issues on the spot etc.

All this costs lots, especially when their 'genius bar' is supporting products bought cheaper elsewhere....

It's not often you find a variance in retail prices of Apple products, though.
But they're also a manufacturer who are retailing directly to the end user, as such they get 2 bites of the margin apple so to speak.
You think it's that simple?

Apple Computer will sell them to Apple Retail UK for the same price as everyone else gets them for.

Alfa_75_Steve

7,489 posts

229 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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RobDickinson said:
Small Car said:
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But given it is their product, would they not control the price to third parties that takes this in to consideration ?
Are the Apple stores actualy owned by apple or franchised?
Apple owned.

Small Car

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877 posts

228 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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In this instance owned by Apple. Like the one on Regent St in London. Very fancy affairs with big fit out costs.

Then you have 'licenced' retailers who are usually a bit less professional.