Big Engined Cars, Higher Vehicle Excise Duty
Discussion
Motorists who drive higher-polluting cars may have to pay more road tax under plans considered by the Department of Transport
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
I see their logic here but surely it would be fairer to add an additional premium at the pumps instead, then Tim Travelallot who does 25k a year in his Vectra would be paying for his share in pollution compared to Will Weekender who only does 5k a year in his TVR.
I guess people views are diffrent depending on their circumstances!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
I see their logic here but surely it would be fairer to add an additional premium at the pumps instead, then Tim Travelallot who does 25k a year in his Vectra would be paying for his share in pollution compared to Will Weekender who only does 5k a year in his TVR.
I guess people views are diffrent depending on their circumstances!!!
simpo two said:
It is clearly b*llox since it takes no account of mileage. I have a 5.0 litre TVR but it only does 2,500 miles a a year. If you take 'average' mileage to be 12,000 miles per year, then my TVR is the equivalent of a 1.0 litre car. (Which means I should get a *reduction* in VED!!!)
I'll go for that, thinks its known as lateral thinking
The answer is easy, get yourself a business and apply for trade plates .. 165 pounds a year to drive any number of cars you own .. gotta be the bargain of the year ..teehee
PS I spend 70 quid a week on petrol in my V8S .. how much more effing money do the miserable b*stards want from me ....!!!!!! aaarrgghhh
PS I spend 70 quid a week on petrol in my V8S .. how much more effing money do the miserable b*stards want from me ....!!!!!! aaarrgghhh
You may like to see this thread:
[url]www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=62806&f=10&h=0[/url]
which has some interesing comments and was also posted in the right place
[url]www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=62806&f=10&h=0[/url]
which has some interesing comments and was also posted in the right place
MatthewTamea said:
Same for road tax - bigger the engine the more you pay, even though the car might only come out once or twice a week. Gotta get mine today - another 165 quid for the government
This may lead to the same thing that happened in Italy. If I remember correctly, the government established a massive punitive tax on all cars whose engines displaced more than 2 liters. As a result, companies like Maserati and Lancia concentrated on squeezing massive power out of small, turbo-charged engines and companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini whose customers were too rich to care, ignored it.
On one level, I suppose we have those laws to thank for cars like the Ghibli Cup whose 2.0 Liter twin-turbo V-6 cranked out 330bhp. But on the other level, laws like this tend to backfire on the ignorant politicians.
An engine's displacement only only one of many factors that control how efficient and clean it is. To base taxes on displacement is stupid.
Why not base a vehicle's road-tax figure on a combination of weight, fuel-efficiency, emission levels and distance driven? So when it is time to get a new tax disc, the MOT certificate has the car's emission figure and odometer reading. The person at the post office plugs these numbers into a computer along with the vehicles curb-weight and mileage rating as given by the manufacturer... then, out pops the renewal cost.
Someone who drives a TVR a few thousand miles every year should pay far less than these pinheads who bop around in a giant 4x4 ruining the roads and polluting the air.
Jon Gwynne said:
[quote=MatthewTamea]Someone who drives a TVR a few thousand miles every year should pay far less than these pinheads who bop around in a giant 4x4 ruining the roads and polluting the air.
Mind your language. I think you'll find there are a number of people on here who drive 4x4's - me included. And you might want to get your facts straight.
You're telling me that my 1995 2.4 ltr 4x4 kicks out more emmissions than my 1992 4ltr Griff? Hmmmm, I'd have to check my emission tests from last MOT but I doubt it. Also, at those emissions levels I can (and often do) carry 5 people plus lots of luggage in the 4x4 whereas in my TVR the maximum I can carry is one passenger, a spare pair of underpants and a toothbrush. The fuel economy is a bit better in my 4x4 than in the Griff so therfore add all that up and I'm sure you'll find my Griff is more detrimental to the enviroment mile for mile.
As for ruining the roads, I think you're confusing 4x4's with 40 tonne artics.
If you can prove to me that my 4x4 is significantly more damaging environmentally then I'll gladly pay more tax (infact I already do as compared to to small cars under < 1 litre). I also pay significantly more tax than smaller cars in fuel duty.
I do agree that taxation should be based on the amount of road usage. But how can you measure that reliably without installing GPS in every car.
Everyone likes to have a dig at 4x4 owners just because many of them use them for the shopping rather than for what they were originally intended e.g. off-road. So what. A TVR is a racing car, I wonder what percentage of TVR owners actually take them on track days? And those that do, how often? Occasionally? Well I occasionally take my 4x4 off-road.
>> Edited by jam1et on Thursday 23 October 11:14
jam1et said:
If you can prove to me that my 4x4 is significantly more damaging environmentally then I'll gladly pay more tax...
No, mate: you've said it yourself - you ALREADY get shafted for being a useful contributor to HM Exchequer so why even entertain such restrictive concepts?
Road use, road space taken, fuel used, sulphur content of exhaust, fridge size, TV size, number of TVs per household, electricity consumption threshold levy, air consumed per adult houseold capita duty, donation to Labour Party allowance/duty, quarter pounder with cheese surcharge, number of times social faux pas are uttered even when some whining little communist with a camera inserted where the sun don't shine to 'catch you out' isn't there contribution, tax on all types of other gastronomic profligacy, progressive window tax, Islamic tithes, EC benefit tax (means tested and only applicable for those who dislike incalculably vile horsesh1t like Christine Agadooliera), tax on polysyllabic abuse, tax on less than 8 people in anything other than a Kia Turd who wear blue from June through to September, free passage once through your personal/business assets once a month to the local disadvantaged classes because "it's alright for you, isn't it?" AD F@CKING NAUSEAM.
The moment you start rationalising these impositions and restrictions you, we, all of us, are F@CKED. So get this, you frigging communist
B A S T A R D S - EFF ORF & DIE, DIE, D I E !!! Pieces of absolute SH!T
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