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The root cause of our anger is the speedlimits that these cameras enforce.
Speed restrictions take no account of the road, traffic or weather conditions, they are completely general and unspecific and thus unfair. I think we should abolish all speedlimits outside of built up areas. We simply dont require them for safer roads.
In built up areas the exisiting limits should remain. But like on the Isle Of Man all limits outside of town should be removed. We dont need a road sign to tell us what is a safe speed for the road, there isnt one, it varies. If we're all speeding (as almost everyone will admit to doing occasionally) we are obviously making our own judgements on a safe speed anyway. Simple warning signs for accident blackspotssharp bends etc would suffice.
Speed limits will always need to be policed. Whether its more cops, more cameras, more mobile units, or (heaven forbid) GPS systems in our cars, it makes little difference, we're still going to get buggered for driving at speeds that are perfectly safe for the surroundings just because some f
ing dimwit decides we should stick to limits imposed decades ago even though cars and most roads have changed beyond recognition. Exhale.
However, it'd be political suicide and a big cut in income. It'll never happen but I live in hope.
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>>> Edited by jam1et on Tuesday 21st October 16:08
mode The root cause of our anger is the speedlimits that these cameras enforce.
Speed restrictions take no account of the road, traffic or weather conditions, they are completely general and unspecific and thus unfair. I think we should abolish all speedlimits outside of built up areas. We simply dont require them for safer roads.
In built up areas the exisiting limits should remain. But like on the Isle Of Man all limits outside of town should be removed. We dont need a road sign to tell us what is a safe speed for the road, there isnt one, it varies. If we're all speeding (as almost everyone will admit to doing occasionally) we are obviously making our own judgements on a safe speed anyway. Simple warning signs for accident blackspotssharp bends etc would suffice.
Speed limits will always need to be policed. Whether its more cops, more cameras, more mobile units, or (heaven forbid) GPS systems in our cars, it makes little difference, we're still going to get buggered for driving at speeds that are perfectly safe for the surroundings just because some f
ing dimwit decides we should stick to limits imposed decades ago even though cars and most roads have changed beyond recognition. Exhale. However, it'd be political suicide and a big cut in income. It'll never happen but I live in hope.
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mode >>> Edited by jam1et on Tuesday 21st October 16:08
Excellent in theory.. but you didnt take the "numpty and
" syndrome into account. Lets say that you are doing a totally "safe" 100MPH on a clear duel carrageway. Then numpty who cannot drives suddenly decides to change lanes for no reason. This has actually happened to me at 70 in an NSL and I managed to avoid it by the skin of my teeth. Numpty carried on blissfully changing lanes for no reason without a clue as to what almost happened.
Then the
factor. Imagine Kevin in his 1.1L hatchback with an alleged 6000BhP in his cardboard spoiler. Rices up the road as fast as the supercar will go (probably about 65-70) then crashes into a tree. Hey ho "speed kills" and around we go again.... 
Until we remove BAD DRIVERS from the roads we can never achieve this vision of safer and progressive driving.
Jam1ET - quite right.
Why have speed limits, especially out of towns. And why have speed cameras? It's purely the public servants' strange desire to control when confronted with any desire for a "solution" (to something).
There are many places in this country where there are still no cameras, but do you see everyone bouncing the valves in their engine, shredding their tyres and going round corners on two wheels just because there's no revenue machine waiting to extract their hard-earned? No, of course not. Because most people don't run out of control just because they're not being watched (they may still dither and bumble along too slowly but that's not the point of this discussion).
The point is, is that speed limits and cameras generally are not required, people will usually travel at their own pace. OK, there are some robots who for whatever reason, hit 30 like a brick wall irrespective of road conditions as soon as they see a 30 sign, but many people can think for themselves.
It's better driving skills through education and a better standard of driving test that is required.
Why have speed limits, especially out of towns. And why have speed cameras? It's purely the public servants' strange desire to control when confronted with any desire for a "solution" (to something).
There are many places in this country where there are still no cameras, but do you see everyone bouncing the valves in their engine, shredding their tyres and going round corners on two wheels just because there's no revenue machine waiting to extract their hard-earned? No, of course not. Because most people don't run out of control just because they're not being watched (they may still dither and bumble along too slowly but that's not the point of this discussion).
The point is, is that speed limits and cameras generally are not required, people will usually travel at their own pace. OK, there are some robots who for whatever reason, hit 30 like a brick wall irrespective of road conditions as soon as they see a 30 sign, but many people can think for themselves.
It's better driving skills through education and a better standard of driving test that is required.
gh0st said:
Excellent in theory.. but you didnt take the "numpty and
Until we remove BAD DRIVERS from the roads we can never achieve this vision of safer and progressive driving.
I quite agree with you there. Increased driver training and better/more frequent driving tests is another issue alltogether which I whole heartedly agree with.
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