UK e-mail law 'attack on rights'

[odyssey2200]

Big brother is watching you more closely than ever!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7819230.stm

[andy43]

No it's not.
If you're in the Abu Hamza or Gary Glitter fan clubs, start worrying, but otherwise I really don't see the problem. Liberty do feel the need to voice their opinion on stuff like this, but in the interests of security I think it's a good thing.

[Piersman2]

"small ISPs will be exempt"

Ok, so as a terrorist mastermind, guess which ISPs I will choose to send my emails via.

What a crock of st this is.

I just don't understand how this keeps happening time and time again.

[Piersman2]

andy43 said:

No it's not.
If you're in the Abu Hamza or Gary Glitter fan clubs, start worrying, but otherwise I really don't see the problem. Liberty do feel the need to voice their opinion on stuff like this, but in the interests of security I think it's a good thing.

Oh dear. I'm sure many will be along shortly to educate you. I can't be bothered.

[Mojocvh]

andy43 said:

No it's not.
If you're in the Abu Hamza or Gary Glitter fan clubs, start worrying, but otherwise I really don't see the problem. Liberty do feel the need to voice their opinion on stuff like this, but in the interests of security I think it's a good thing.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said ISPs already kept the information on a voluntary basis.

"The thing we have to worry about is what happens next because the government is already mooting plans not just to leave this stuff with the providers but to create a central government database where they hold all the information.

"I'm afraid we just don't trust any government or any organisation to keep that much very sensitive information about us all and to keep it safe."

Pretty straight forwards really, if you don't think this is just the tip of another iceberg....

[kambites]

Because of course terrorists have never heard of public key encryption?

[voyds9]

What worries me is I'm starting to agree with Shami Chakrabarti.

I think the way around this lunacy is everyone to send an email everyday with bomb in the subject line. The system would implode with all the hits.

[odyssey2200]

voyds9 said:

What worries me is I'm starting to agree with Shami Chakrabarti.

I think the way around this lunacy is everyone to send an email everyday with bomb in the subject line. The system would implode with all the hits.

+1

[jeff m]

voyds9 said:

I think the way around this lunacy is everyone to send an email everyday with bomb in the subject line. The system would implode with all the hits.

That was done quite a few years ago when it was "news groups" and very few forums.
I assume ChelteNum gave up day and just played table tennis.

[jaf01uk]

Thing I don't understand is the bit -

"The Home Office insists the data, which does not include e-mails' content, is vital for crime and terror inquiries.

Some three billion e-mails are thought to be sent each day in the UK."

So what are they saving and how can blank e mails help prevent terrorism?

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb
Gary

[Langweilig]

voyds9 said:

What worries me is I'm starting to agree with Shami Chakrabarti.

I think the way around this lunacy is everyone to send an email everyday with bomb in the subject line. The system would implode with all the hits.

You're obviously not an AOL user then. Insert the word bomb into any e-mail you want to send and you won't be allowed to finish typing your message. You'll get a snooty, patronising message. "Sorry, AOL encountered a problem and needed to close."

Yeah, right. Pull the other one!

[thinfourth2]

jaf01uk said:

Thing I don't understand is the bit -

"The Home Office insists the data, which does not include e-mails' content, is vital for crime and terror inquiries.

Some three billion e-mails are thought to be sent each day in the UK."

So what are they saving and how can blank e mails help prevent terrorism?

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb
Gary

So it will just be the subject line then

Thats going to stop the terrorists in their tracks

sucide bombers e-mail subject said:

Flower arranging

sucide bombers e-mail said:

Hi Bob you still up for blowing yourself up tonight

Love ernie

Yep thats another billion pound government IT project in tatters

[odyssey2200]

thinfourth2 said:

jaf01uk said:

Thing I don't understand is the bit -

"The Home Office insists the data, which does not include e-mails' content, is vital for crime and terror inquiries.

Some three billion e-mails are thought to be sent each day in the UK."

So what are they saving and how can blank e mails help prevent terrorism?

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb
Gary

So it will just be the subject line then

Thats going to stop the terrorists in their tracks

sucide bombers e-mail subject said:

Flower arranging

sucide bombers e-mail said:

Hi Bob you still up for blowing yourself up tonight

Love ernie

Yep thats another billion pound government IT project in tatters

I have a mental image of some Gov't IT guy having just read that and feling a bit silly!

[polus]

jaf01uk said:

Thing I don't understand is the bit -

"The Home Office insists the data, which does not include e-mails' content, is vital for crime and terror inquiries.

Some three billion e-mails are thought to be sent each day in the UK."

So what are they saving and how can blank e mails help prevent terrorism?

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb
Gary

Trends and tracking who is emailing who.

[Russ35]

jaf01uk said:

Thing I don't understand is the bit -

"The Home Office insists the data, which does not include e-mails' content, is vital for crime and terror inquiries.

Some three billion e-mails are thought to be sent each day in the UK."

So what are they saving and how can blank e mails help prevent terrorism?

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb
Gary

They will just keep a record who you emailed/phoned etc. That way if you are arrested for something they will then be able to build a list of who you contacted and start looking at that list.

[glazbagun]

jaf01uk said:

Thing I don't understand is the bit -

"The Home Office insists the data, which does not include e-mails' content, is vital for crime and terror inquiries.

Some three billion e-mails are thought to be sent each day in the UK."

So what are they saving and how can blank e mails help prevent terrorism?

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb
Gary

They know who you've been emailing. When they do you for terrorism/paedophillia/not paying your congestion charge or protesting outside westminster, they'll know who you've been speaking/emailing, so they can go round & raid their house, too. On the face of it, it seems quite sensible to me. But the government doesnt need a database- they need only ask the ISP. Unless they want to check up on people without asking anyone and thus obscuring a layer of accountability... Oh.

[Jasandjules]

andy43 said:

No it's not.
If you're in the Abu Hamza or Gary Glitter fan clubs, start worrying, but otherwise I really don't see the problem. Liberty do feel the need to voice their opinion on stuff like this, but in the interests of security I think it's a good thing.

Really? And do you know how many thousands of Council staff they may grant access to read your e-mail?

Got a neighbour who works for the council? Maybe they want to find out some info. about you.. Guess how they can do that...

My Grandfathers fought for freedom, a freedom which the scum in Govt seem to want to take from us.

[King Herald]

I get about 100 times more spam e mails sent to me than anything else. I pity the poor fker whose ISP has to store all that crapola!!

[thinfourth2]

odyssey2200 said:

thinfourth2 said:

So it will just be the subject line then

Thats going to stop the terrorists in their tracks

sucide bombers e-mail subject said:

Flower arranging

sucide bombers e-mail said:

Hi Bob you still up for blowing yourself up tonight

Love ernie

Yep thats another billion pound government IT project in tatters

I have a mental image of some Gov't IT guy having just read that and feling a bit silly!

Before reaching for the bottomless cheque book

I'm glad i don't have to pick up the bill


Oh Bugger


Oh and i forgot

BOMB

[odyssey2200]

glazbagun said:

They know who you've been emailing. When they do you for terrorism/paedophillia/not paying your congestion charge or protesting outside westminster, they'll know who you've been speaking/emailing, so they can go round & raid their house, too. On the face of it, it seems quite sensible to me. But the government doesnt need a database- they need only ask the ISP. Unless they want to check up on people without asking anyone and thus obscuring a layer of accountability... Oh.

So terrorists wouldn't use a hotmail account under an assumed or meaningless name from a Cyber cafe then?


Not really been thought through has it?
Again the Gov't inability to do joined up thinking and only do knee jerk, control and oppress actions has only had a negative effect on those it is supposed to protect while real terrorists will simply circumvent the rules.