Council Tax/Empty property question
Council Tax/Empty property question
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NDA

Original Poster:

25,580 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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I have been trying to sell house for over 6 months - it's empty and I'm set to lose over £250k on it. Which is nice.

The local council have just written to me saying that the full council tax is now payable on it - over a grand.

Obviously there are no services I'm using at this house - it's sitting empty - so no rubbish, no school place required or library....

Is there any way to avoid this punitive and spurious charge?!

theboyfold

11,469 posts

255 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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My understanding is that if the house is empty (incl furniture etc) then you don't have to pay council tax on it.

I could be wrong!

sleep envy

62,260 posts

278 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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when I was refurbing my house I got an exemption for 12 months

worth asking

trooperiziz

9,457 posts

281 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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If it is unoccupied but furnished, you can get a 50% discount, if in unoccupied and unfurnished you can get a 100% discount. Just all up the number on your bill and explain, they may want to inspect the property to confirm.

smac

164 posts

264 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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If your exemption period was over and you then let it to say a single person (attracting the single person discount) for a period of 42 days then a new exemption period begins.

NDA

Original Poster:

25,580 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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The council website says this.....


council said:
Some dwellings may be exempt from council tax, they include properties which:

* are unfurnished (exempt for up to six months)
* are owned by a charity (exempt for up to six months)
* require or are undergoing structural alteration or major repair (exempt for up to twelve months)
* are left empty by someone who has gone into prison, or who has moved to receive personal care in a hospital or a home or elsewhere
* are left empty by someone who has moved in order to provide personal care to another person
* are left empty by students
* are waiting for probate or letters of administration to be granted (and for up to six months after)
* have been repossessed
* are the responsibility of a bankrupt's trustee
* are empty because their occupation is forbidden by law
* are waiting to be occupied by a minister of religion
* are a pitch for a caravan or a mooring for a boat
* form part of a single dwelling which includes another dwelling, e.g. annexes, which are unoccupied, and may not be let separately without a breach of planning control.
I wonder if you rented it for 3 weeks and then it became empty again if that refreshes your 6 months?

Edit: just seen the 42 day comment


Edited by NDA on Saturday 10th January 12:01

rah1888

1,589 posts

216 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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sleep envy said:
when I was refurbing my house I got an exemption for 12 months

worth asking
Damn - i only got 6 months when i was doing mine frown (2006)

NDA

Original Poster:

25,580 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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I'm actually really fecked off about it.

You'd think the council would say 'fair enough' you're a private individual trying to sell a house and having no luck, we're not providing you with any services for this house - we don't need to charge you.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

278 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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as if

theboyfold

11,469 posts

255 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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But is it furnished? From what you have posted that grants you an exemption

lost in espace

6,586 posts

236 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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Just do as a reply here stated and pay the single rate for 42 days then claim the exemption again, better than nothing.

NDA

Original Poster:

25,580 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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It's empty - completely empty.

However the council website suggests a 6 month exemption only.

NDA

Original Poster:

25,580 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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lost in espace said:
Just do as a reply here stated and pay the single rate for 42 days then claim the exemption again, better than nothing.
I wonder if you do this 'openly' i.e. telling them you'll pay the single rate for 42 days and then go to an exemption, if they'll allow you to do it?

theboyfold

11,469 posts

255 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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NDA said:
It's empty - completely empty.

However the council website suggests a 6 month exemption only.
Oh yeah, just read your original post properly smile

skwdenyer

18,707 posts

269 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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NDA said:
lost in espace said:
Just do as a reply here stated and pay the single rate for 42 days then claim the exemption again, better than nothing.
I wonder if you do this 'openly' i.e. telling them you'll pay the single rate for 42 days and then go to an exemption, if they'll allow you to do it?
Do you think the council will correctly advise you in this case?

Steamer

14,173 posts

242 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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trooperiziz said:
If it is unoccupied but furnished, you can get a 50% discount, if in unoccupied and unfurnished you can get a 100% discount. Just all up the number on your bill and explain, they may want to inspect the property to confirm.
I had to prove there was no toilet in my place while I was refurbing it (not living in it)... and even then they only gave me 50% discount irked

smac

164 posts

264 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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skwdenyer said:
NDA said:
lost in espace said:
Just do as a reply here stated and pay the single rate for 42 days then claim the exemption again, better than nothing.
I wonder if you do this 'openly' i.e. telling them you'll pay the single rate for 42 days and then go to an exemption, if they'll allow you to do it?
Do you think the council will correctly advise you in this case?
But you wont be paying the 42 days - your tenant will. Of course it may be the case the tenant you put in is of terrible character and doesnt pay the CC at all - this would not be your concern as the Landlord.

AstonZagato

14,168 posts

239 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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NDA said:
The council website says this.....


council said:
Some dwellings may be exempt from council tax, they include properties which:

* are left empty by someone who has gone into prison, or who has moved to receive personal care in a hospital or a home or elsewhere
Rob a bank.
Stash the dough.
Get caught.

Go to jail.

No more council tax (till you get out).

HTH

Edited by AstonZagato on Saturday 10th January 17:59

skwdenyer

18,707 posts

269 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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smac said:
skwdenyer said:
NDA said:
lost in espace said:
Just do as a reply here stated and pay the single rate for 42 days then claim the exemption again, better than nothing.
I wonder if you do this 'openly' i.e. telling them you'll pay the single rate for 42 days and then go to an exemption, if they'll allow you to do it?
Do you think the council will correctly advise you in this case?
But you wont be paying the 42 days - your tenant will. Of course it may be the case the tenant you put in is of terrible character and doesnt pay the CC at all - this would not be your concern as the Landlord.
That's a terrible suggestion, I can't believe that anybody would ever think of such a thing...

Tuscan Tart

2,187 posts

238 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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Our previous house took us over a year to sell after we had already moved.

I imagined at the time we wouldn't have to pay council tax for the first 6 months( Unoccupied and unfurnished.)and would have hopefully sold it in that time, but no, they apply the 50% discount on a monthly basis. frown