engine tuneing
engine tuneing
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big geoff

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387 posts

231 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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I worked in the garage trade for many years we tuned engines in the 60s and 70s by by removeing excess metal from the rockers and connecting rods flywheel ect , removeing up to 60 thou from some cylinder heads carry out reshaping of the ports and polish to a mirror finish . All internal moveing parts were polished to a mirror finish we would leave the blocks out over night this would cause slight rusting of the liners which we would then glaze bust the next day this would give pocketed areas for oil to collect thus allowing no seizeing of the pistons . How times have changed

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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I think the only thing that has really changed is the ring materials wink you can still port and polish for flow and oil dispersal etc.. In fairness many TVR's have pretty well ported heads to start off with, but anything can be improved hehe It just seems that most folks these days just want bolt on goodies scratchchin Remember what we British bikers thought of of new fangled complicated Jap machinery and their owners in the 60/70's, was often a talking point on the overnight kitchen engine rebuild partys.. It really is one of the great charms / attractions of the RV8 that you can get in and do some pretty agricultural modifications IMHO. Most however do not seem to want to get intimate with their motors wink

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

315 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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spend said:
It just seems that most folks these days just want bolt on goodies scratchchin
Oi! Nowt wrong with bolt-on goodies!


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spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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GreenV8S said:
spend said:
It just seems that most folks these days just want bolt on goodies scratchchin
Oi! Nowt wrong with bolt-on goodies!


hehe
[cloughie]That was a 'just' as in 'only' young man![/cloughie] rofl

Just you be careful you're not blowing hot air Peter! tongue outhehe

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

291 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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Engines have moved on a bit since the 60'ies and manufacturers have taken care of a lot of the older tuning methods at the production stage.

f@-pots

204 posts

234 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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Listen, I love my motor as much as the next man,and I must admit to getting more than a little 'firm' when I hear all those good noises. I do however draw the line at 'intimacy' !! I mean apart from anything its gotta hurt !!!biglaugh

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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f@-pots said:
Listen, I love my motor as much as the next man,and I must admit to getting more than a little 'firm' when I hear all those good noises. I do however draw the line at 'intimacy' !! I mean apart from anything its gotta hurt !!!biglaugh
If you can't put up with the bruised knuckles, splinters in fingers, ally shards in the eyes.... well it's not for you angelwhistlewhistle

If you are intimating 'fornicating' type intimacy maybe we should resurrect the V8Animal / Tubbs "tight knob" thread to sate your curiosity evilhehe its always a favorite gag topic rofl

HarryW

16,079 posts

300 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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Things have moved on little but you are right the basics still apply, I'm a great advocate of improving where TVR left off, my old V8S was pretty good for a 4ltr RV8 - 275hp/285bs and that was rebuilt with higher compression, lightened, balanced, ported, bespoke exhaust manifolds, rerouted & enlarged intakes, 3D ignition etc. My current Cerb was rebuilt from the ground up, billet crank, rods, bespoke pistons, raised compression, lightened, balanced (<0.1g), ported 4.2 intakes etc and makes 450hp/400lbs pretty much the highest of any 4.5 AJP8. I don't have the spare time or facilities to it myself and freely admit most is cheque book tuning, however I do and had have the main say in what is to be done and in most cases to date they have been ground breaking.

Just a few points on your original post - Honing the bore is probably a little more consistent than allow the rust to pock mark it, mirror finishing the intakes is not as good leaving it slightly rough, think dimples in a golf ball. Skimming the head for raised compression has to be calculated/measured as you run the risk of too high a compression and or valve/piston contact (normally on the overun where most fail to take into account stretching).

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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HarryW said:
..valve/piston contact (normally on the overun where most fail to take into account stretching).
I really think that the cranks can be viewed as 'flexible friends', it's just too simple to consider them as completely solid members IMHO. I've always wondered if that had some connection with the RV8 liner problems after reading race cranks suffer most deformation at the rear of the block? It's just one of those things that you muse about....

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

315 months

Saturday 10th January 2009
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spend said:
I really think that the cranks can be viewed as 'flexible friends'
I remember reading that top fuel dragsters have a twist ground into the cam to compensate for the amount the crank twists under load. eek

Uncle Fester

3,114 posts

239 months

Sunday 11th January 2009
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spend said:
HarryW said:
..valve/piston contact (normally on the overun where most fail to take into account stretching).
I really think that the cranks can be viewed as 'flexible friends', it's just too simple to consider them as completely solid members IMHO. I've always wondered if that had some connection with the RV8 liner problems after reading race cranks suffer most deformation at the rear of the block? It's just one of those things that you muse about....
I was discussing the cause of slipping liners with Mark Adams. His theory of the cause is to do with block distortion, not the crank.

It was to do with the thickness in certain areas and how this was reduced by increased capacity. Then the distorting of certain bolts being torqued up completed the problem.

Mark explained it so much better.



spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Sunday 11th January 2009
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Several theories abound, in truth it seems more than likely a combination of several IMHO;)