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Dirty rotten scamming cheating hiding little bastards (sorry ted but it had to be done)...
That talivan on the team valley trading estate I posted about a while back (actually THIRTEEN days back) did get me. 41mph in a 30...
I'm sure it's not a 30 though, there are NO change of speed limit signs that I'm aware of - I'm going to have a look later for proof, and the kingsway is a 40.
What evidence would a court need for this - photographs but not digital ones I guess?
Oh, stuck in with the NIP you get a nice 'Frequently Asked Questions' bit... I'll post some of the more laughable ones...
The last one is strange, I'm sure the law says it has to be served within 14 days and if so, Northumbria plod are arguing with the law - anyway, that's petty...
I'm gonna go get snap-happy soon, and even if it is inadmissable as evidence in court, I don't care - I'm NOT going to roll over with these bloody points, it's going back unsigned as a matter of course...
BASTARDS...
That talivan on the team valley trading estate I posted about a while back (actually THIRTEEN days back) did get me. 41mph in a 30...
I'm sure it's not a 30 though, there are NO change of speed limit signs that I'm aware of - I'm going to have a look later for proof, and the kingsway is a 40.
What evidence would a court need for this - photographs but not digital ones I guess?
Oh, stuck in with the NIP you get a nice 'Frequently Asked Questions' bit... I'll post some of the more laughable ones...
Northumbria Police Scam Factory said:
Q5 - Will the police really waste court time if I ignore this fine?
It is not a waste of time. It is the duty of the police to bring alledged offences before the courts
Northumbria Police Scam Factory said:
Q6 - Are my human rights infringed if I respond to this notice?
The Human Rights Act 1998 does not alter your legal obligation as the registered keeper/driver to return this notice. Failiure to do so will result in prosecution.
Northumbria Police Scam Factory said:
Q7 - Are the sites legal?
The aim of saftey cameras is to reduce the number of people who are seriously injured or killed on the roads. All our sites adhere to current government legislation. (*doesn't say they're legal tho!*)
Northumbria Police Scam Factory said:
Q9 - I was unaware of the speed limit/I didn't see any signs
This is not an excuse that will be considered. All roads in the country are subject to a 30mph speed limit unless there are signs to tell you it is a higher or lower limit. If you cannot see a sign assume the limit is 30mph. In a built up area with a system of street lights the speed limit is 30mph unless signed otherwise.
(*interesting - I'm sure there has to be visible limit change signs to let the driver know the limit has come down or gone up (on those rare occasions*)
Northumbria Police Scam Factory said:
Q13 - Can I have a copy of the photograph?
Not as a matter of routine. The photographic evidence is used to support a prosecution case.
Northumbria Police Scam Factory said:
Q20 - Can I have a copy of the calibration certificate?
Not as a matter of routine. All certification is correct and meets the required standards and is used to support a prosecution case.
Northumbria Police Scam Factory said:
Q21 - Isn't this all about rasing money?
No. Money received can only be used to recover costs; therefore speed enforcement is paid for by those who speed.
The aim is to reduce the number of deaths and serious road traffic collisions within the Northumbria Police area. The overall effect of this reduction will be that lives are saved; the families of victims and drivers will not have to suffer; and millions of pounds of taxpayers' money and 1000s of NHS bed-hours are saved.
Northumbria Police Scam Factory said:
Q26 - My Notice arrived more than fourteen days after the alleged offence. Shouldn't I have been notified within that time scale?
No. The Notice of Intended Prosecution has to be issued within 14 days of an alleged offence. It is usual in fixed penalty cases for this to be sent to the registered owner/keeper. If you have received a fixed penalty notice after this time period it is likely to be because you have consequently been named as the driver or new owner of the vehicle.
The last one is strange, I'm sure the law says it has to be served within 14 days and if so, Northumbria plod are arguing with the law - anyway, that's petty...
I'm gonna go get snap-happy soon, and even if it is inadmissable as evidence in court, I don't care - I'm NOT going to roll over with these bloody points, it's going back unsigned as a matter of course...
BASTARDS...
CB-Dave said:
Q9 - I was unaware of the speed limit/I didn't see any signs
This is not an excuse that will be considered. All roads in the country are subject to a 30mph speed limit unless there are signs to tell you it is a higher or lower limit. If you cannot see a sign assume the limit is 30mph. In a built up area with a system of street lights the speed limit is 30mph unless signed otherwise.
Okay, maybe I'm being a bit petty here, but they are blatantly lying.
Rule 103 of the highway code (www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.shtml#103) clearly shows that the speedlimit in force depends upon the type of road. It suggests that: "Street lights usually mean that there is a 30 mph speed limit unless there are signs showing another limit."
It most certainly does not say that all roads are 30 unless otherwise stated. I can't remember ever seeing a 70 sign as I entered a motorway (not in England anyway, have in Scotland).
LexSport said:
I can't remember ever seeing a 70 sign as I entered a motorway (not in England anyway, have in Scotland).
Eyes open then chum...since 1986 all motorways have a signed 70 (white disk, red surround) at all motorway entrances.......
why do I know this? as I used EU law to get out of a 135mph speeding offence (wasn't as such as it had to be droped) as the A74 into the M6 in Carlisle had a white circle with a black diagonal which (under EU law on a motorway means NO LIMIT), now changed under GB law to get around this loophole.... german car, Cumbria police, 1983.........
JMGS4 said:
Eyes open then chum...since 1986 all motorways have a signed 70 (white disk, red surround) at all motorway entrances.......
Hmmm, still not quite sure. I'll take a good look tonight on my M25 / M40 trip home (o/t what fun that's going to be on Friday with Concorde shenanigans).
Coincidentally, the place in Scotland that I specifically remember seeing a 70 sign on entering a m'way was entering the M74 just after the M6-A74-M74 area you speak of at Gretna.
LexSport said:
Eyes open then chum...since 1986 all motorways have a signed 70 (white disk, red surround) at all motorway entrances.......
Hmmm, still not quite sure. I'll take a good look tonight on my M25 / M40 trip home (o/t what fun that's going to be on Friday with Concorde shenanigans).
Coincidentally, the place in Scotland that I specifically remember seeing a 70 sign on entering a m'way was entering the M74 just after the M6-A74-M74 area you speak of at Gretna.
Yup, but it used to be the first (northermost) Carlisle turnoff as it was only the A74 then.......
I've never seen a 70mph sign on a motorway either and all the speedlimit signs used after roadworks on motorways are NSL ones.
As for other speedlimits then this Q&A is wrong as well. There are different default limits based on street lights, spacing of street lights, no street lights etc. There should ALWAYS be a sign at the point a speed limit changes. The only thing that is correct is that the only speed limit that doesn't need repeaters is a 30mph zone in an area with street lamps. However, it is correct that you should know what the limit is for the road you are on and there is no excuse of "I didn't know".
Also, it fudged the bit about the time limits on a NIP. Making it appear that if it wasn't sent to you within 14 days then it must be your fault and are liable anyway. The law is it must be sent to the registered keeper within 14 days of the offence (15 days including the date of the offence itself). If you are not the registered keeper then they can still chase you IF they sent the original NIP in time.
>> Edited by icamm on Wednesday 22 October 16:29
As for other speedlimits then this Q&A is wrong as well. There are different default limits based on street lights, spacing of street lights, no street lights etc. There should ALWAYS be a sign at the point a speed limit changes. The only thing that is correct is that the only speed limit that doesn't need repeaters is a 30mph zone in an area with street lamps. However, it is correct that you should know what the limit is for the road you are on and there is no excuse of "I didn't know".
Also, it fudged the bit about the time limits on a NIP. Making it appear that if it wasn't sent to you within 14 days then it must be your fault and are liable anyway. The law is it must be sent to the registered keeper within 14 days of the offence (15 days including the date of the offence itself). If you are not the registered keeper then they can still chase you IF they sent the original NIP in time.
>> Edited by icamm on Wednesday 22 October 16:29
The rules with regard to road signing is explained in this excellent ABD article www.abd.org.uk/speed_limit_signs.htm
If when joining the motorway you enter from a 40mph limit "A" road, then why is the 70mph limit not posted?
After reading the ABD article it appears there's a requirement for drivers to be told the new speed limit because of the change of road. The authorites simply assuming every drivers knows the motorway speed limit is IMHO not good enough.
A local exit ramp has 40mph limit roundels right at the very end which proves the motorway has a different limit. Why not tell us the limit when joining. Most odd.
If when joining the motorway you enter from a 40mph limit "A" road, then why is the 70mph limit not posted?
After reading the ABD article it appears there's a requirement for drivers to be told the new speed limit because of the change of road. The authorites simply assuming every drivers knows the motorway speed limit is IMHO not good enough.
A local exit ramp has 40mph limit roundels right at the very end which proves the motorway has a different limit. Why not tell us the limit when joining. Most odd.
Well guys, it seems my old grey cells are rusting... I'm coming over for BTAP so I'll have another look... as I said at the beginning of the slip roads NOT on the Autobahn.......
Yes and also seen the signs at the end of the sliproads onto the area roads indicating another SL!!!
Just copied this from the ABD site, perhaps they're saving money???
quote" (5) Paragraph (4) does not apply if:—
(a) the maximum speed limit in force on the other road is greater than that in force on the relevant road; and
"endquote
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Thursday 23 October 07:53
Yes and also seen the signs at the end of the sliproads onto the area roads indicating another SL!!!
Just copied this from the ABD site, perhaps they're saving money???
quote" (5) Paragraph (4) does not apply if:—
(a) the maximum speed limit in force on the other road is greater than that in force on the relevant road; and
"endquote
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Thursday 23 October 07:53
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