Where does mine fit in now then?
Where does mine fit in now then?
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AntonyJ

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5,254 posts

311 months

Thursday 15th January 2009
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Was going to update the "PH Griffith List, 4.0,4.3, Heavily Modded and Specials" for my precat, as for some reason its in the 430 section at the moment.
But where to put it?

The 4.5BV (4.6 but poetic licence) is going in tomorrow, so is it H/Modded or specials? hehe



clive f

7,259 posts

263 months

Thursday 15th January 2009
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reminds me of the old addage, "he who farts alone stands alone"hehe

AntonyJ

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5,254 posts

311 months

Thursday 15th January 2009
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clive f said:
reminds me of the old addage, "he who farts alone stands alone"hehe
So its an old trumper now huh? hehe

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

297 months

Thursday 15th January 2009
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Heavily modded smile specials are the prototypes, test beds, first 3 etc...well no etc as tere isnt many more than that :0

BB

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Thursday 15th January 2009
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Sure its a 'TVR' BV Ant - They'll be expecting 320bhp from you then hehe I'd play the small head card if I was you evil

AntonyJ

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311 months

Thursday 15th January 2009
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Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

297 months

Thursday 15th January 2009
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AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
How about playing in it...Stick it Heavily Modded smile

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griffter

4,143 posts

285 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
Same spec as mine Ant?

Was that having seen their craftsmanship, or did you pick the heads up already done?

Uncle Fester

3,114 posts

238 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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Maybe we need to draw the distinction on the basis of power.

The old ‘Monster’ category could be the test of heavily modified perhaps (Was that 300 wheel or fly)?

Or perhaps a car that now produces what TVR originally claimed?

Perhaps we should set a target that encourages development.

If I stuck a few tiger tails on the Griff, would that count as Heavily Modded? nuts

Discuss.

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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I'm kind of with you I think Fester? Nearly all cars are modified in some way, and the assumption that they all left Bristol Ave equal is flawed. Its fine to note any differences for reference, but we continually get this 'if I do xxx, I will get yyy' questions / expectations and I don't believe things are that straightforward in most cases.

The specials category of known cars, is fine. Engine swaps does require better definition though. It seems quite sensible to include 'non-standard' engine sizes as a separate category, but the dilemma of how to classify upgrades to larger engines (430, 450 & 500) is complex.

Personally I would prefer to see simple classification on engine spec, with a note of what the car was originally, just as you expect notes on the mods applied to have some idea. In some ways things like separating the pre-cats into a separate category can be a little misleading as there are quite a few with de-catted cars now anyway wink Another option would be to have 2 registers, one based on engines/power... the other on original spec... then you could look up the relevant info I guess.

AntonyJ

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5,254 posts

311 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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griffter said:
AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
Same spec as mine Ant?

Was that having seen their craftsmanship, or did you pick the heads up already done?
They are V8D stg3 , think that is the biggest valves possible without fitting new seats.

Anyway, its fitted now, well the main engine is, no inlet,exhaust or ECU yet, but the heavy work is done.

Pasco

6,652 posts

258 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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AntonyJ said:
griffter said:
AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
Same spec as mine Ant?

Was that having seen their craftsmanship, or did you pick the heads up already done?
They are V8D stg3 , think that is the biggest valves possible without fitting new seats.

Anyway, its fitted now, well the main engine is, no inlet,exhaust or ECU yet, but the heavy work is done.
Sound's good Ant thumbup

What are your expectations Hp wise mate ?


AntonyJ

Original Poster:

5,254 posts

311 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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Pasco said:
AntonyJ said:
griffter said:
AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
Same spec as mine Ant?

Was that having seen their craftsmanship, or did you pick the heads up already done?
They are V8D stg3 , think that is the biggest valves possible without fitting new seats.

Anyway, its fitted now, well the main engine is, no inlet,exhaust or ECU yet, but the heavy work is done.
Sound's good Ant thumbup

What are your expectations Hp wise mate ?
Hoping for at least 65 BHP, 70 with a good wind.....hehe

Pasco

6,652 posts

258 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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AntonyJ said:
Pasco said:
AntonyJ said:
griffter said:
AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
Same spec as mine Ant?

Was that having seen their craftsmanship, or did you pick the heads up already done?
They are V8D stg3 , think that is the biggest valves possible without fitting new seats.

Anyway, its fitted now, well the main engine is, no inlet,exhaust or ECU yet, but the heavy work is done.
Sound's good Ant thumbup

What are your expectations Hp wise mate ?
Hoping for at least 65 BHP, 70 with a good wind.....hehe
I'm sure you will have no problem mate so around 310 to 320 then smile

HRG

72,863 posts

269 months

Saturday 17th January 2009
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AntonyJ said:
Pasco said:
AntonyJ said:
griffter said:
AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
Same spec as mine Ant?

Was that having seen their craftsmanship, or did you pick the heads up already done?
They are V8D stg3 , think that is the biggest valves possible without fitting new seats.

Anyway, its fitted now, well the main engine is, no inlet,exhaust or ECU yet, but the heavy work is done.
Sound's good Ant thumbup

What are your expectations Hp wise mate ?
Hoping for at least 65 BHP, 70 with a good wind.....hehe
There's always a good wind out in those cabbage fields hehe

AntonyJ

Original Poster:

5,254 posts

311 months

Saturday 17th January 2009
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HRG said:
AntonyJ said:
Pasco said:
AntonyJ said:
griffter said:
AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
Same spec as mine Ant?

Was that having seen their craftsmanship, or did you pick the heads up already done?
They are V8D stg3 , think that is the biggest valves possible without fitting new seats.

Anyway, its fitted now, well the main engine is, no inlet,exhaust or ECU yet, but the heavy work is done.
Sound's good Ant thumbup

What are your expectations Hp wise mate ?
Hoping for at least 65 BHP, 70 with a good wind.....hehe
There's always a good wind out in those cabbage fields hehe
Cabbage? No its sprouts that does me....




Removed all the Lucas stuff this morning, so bloody much of it !

Uncle Fester

3,114 posts

238 months

Saturday 17th January 2009
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spend said:
I'm kind of with you I think Fester? Nearly all cars are modified in some way, and the assumption that they all left Bristol Ave equal is flawed. Its fine to note any differences for reference, but we continually get this 'if I do xxx, I will get yyy' questions / expectations and I don't believe things are that straightforward in most cases.

The specials category of known cars, is fine. Engine swaps does require better definition though. It seems quite sensible to include 'non-standard' engine sizes as a separate category, but the dilemma of how to classify upgrades to larger engines (430, 450 & 500) is complex.

Personally I would prefer to see simple classification on engine spec, with a note of what the car was originally, just as you expect notes on the mods applied to have some idea. In some ways things like separating the pre-cats into a separate category can be a little misleading as there are quite a few with de-catted cars now anyway wink Another option would be to have 2 registers, one based on engines/power... the other on original spec... then you could look up the relevant info I guess.
I wonder if the way forward is in the sorting. It really needs to be a database.

Just as a list in the PH classified ad’s can be displayed in price Hi-Lo, Advert age, Etc. A list of all Griff’s could be sorted according to BHP, Ft/Lbs, or other criteria.

There are loads of different categories by which cars could be ordered. Any attempt to produce one or two simple lists is very limited. Cars may fit into more than one category.

Your point about 'if I do xxx, I will get yyy' could be addressed.

Suppose the list could be queried to provide truly useful information?

Someone considering camshaft change could query high, low and average power or torque of all the other cars with a particular camshaft.

Or the effect of making two or more changes could be researched. It wouldn’t be perfect. The problem would come because the there are so many possible variations that could affect performance; it would be hard to isolate one combination of modifications.

But it would be an improvement over what we have now.

Pasco

6,652 posts

258 months

Sunday 18th January 2009
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AntonyJ said:
HRG said:
AntonyJ said:
Pasco said:
AntonyJ said:
griffter said:
AntonyJ said:
Its V8D BV, but I see what you mean......... Got to play on it though havent I?

Edited by AntonyJ on Thursday 15th January 23:04
Same spec as mine Ant?

Was that having seen their craftsmanship, or did you pick the heads up already done?
They are V8D stg3 , think that is the biggest valves possible without fitting new seats.

Anyway, its fitted now, well the main engine is, no inlet,exhaust or ECU yet, but the heavy work is done.
Sound's good Ant thumbup

What are your expectations Hp wise mate ?
Hoping for at least 65 BHP, 70 with a good wind.....hehe
There's always a good wind out in those cabbage fields hehe
Cabbage? No its sprouts that does me....




Removed all the Lucas stuff this morning, so bloody much of it !
Don't i fking know It rolleyes