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colonel c

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Friday 16th January 2009
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Rich Greens beware! Boy George is after you.

The Guardian said:

It would be stupid to claim that environmentalism is never informed by class. Compare, for example, the campaign against patio heaters with the campaign against Agas. Patio heaters are a powerful symbol: heating the atmosphere is not a side-effect, it's their purpose. But to match the fuel consumption of an Aga, a large domestic patio heater would have to run continuously at maximum output for three months a year. Patio heaters burn liquefied petroleum gas, while most Agas use oil, electricity or coal, which produce more CO2. A large Aga running on coal turns out nine tonnes of carbon dioxide per year: 35% more than the total CO2 production of the average UK home. To match that, the patio heater would have to burn for nine months.
So where is the campaign against Agas? There isn't one. I've lost count of the number of aspirational middle-class greens I know who own one of these monsters and believe that they are somehow compatible (perhaps because they look good in a country kitchen) with a green lifestyle. The campaign against Agas - which starts here - will divide rich greens down the middle.
But it is even more stupid to dismiss all environmentalism as a middle-class whim. It's the poor who live beside polluting factories, whose lives are wrecked by opencast mining, who can't afford to move away from motorways or flood zones. They are hit first and worst by climate change. Those who claim that all environmentalists are middle or upper class ignore the tens of millions of peasants and labourers who have mobilised on green issues in south Asia, Africa and Latin America. They indulge a transparent sophistry: some greens are aristocrats; all green issues are therefore the preserve of toffs.
Nowhere is this class-branding more evidently wrong than in the debate over flying. This week the government is expected to announce that a third runway will be built at Heathrow. MPs, airline bosses and rightwing newspapers have been trying to soften us up by insisting that this is happening for the benefit of the poor. Those trying to stop new runways are toffs preventing working-class people from having fun.
The group that has worked hardest to portray the issue this way is the weird cult that arose from the Revolutionary Communist party. This Trotskyist splinter, whose chief theorist is the sociology professor Frank Furedi, has spent the last 30 years moving ever further to the right. The magazine it founded in 1988, Living Marxism (later called LM), celebrated power and demanded total market freedom. It campaigned against bans on tobacco advertising, child pornography and the ownership of handguns. It denied that genocide had taken place in Rwanda, or ethnic cleansing in Bosnia. It provided a platform for writers from the hard-right Institute for Economic Affairs and Centre for the Defence of Free Enterprise. Frank Furedi started writing for the Centre for Policy Studies, which was founded by Keith Joseph and Margaret Thatcher. He and the LM writer Tony Gilland wrote to the supermarket chains, offering - for £7,500 - to educate "consumers about complex scientific issues".
LM closed in 2000, and was replaced by the web magazine Spiked. Edited by Brendan O'Neill, it concentrates on denying the existence of social and environmental problems, and attacking protest movements with a hatred so intense and disproportionate that it must contain an element of self-disgust.
O'Neill, who still describes himself as a Marxist and blogs for the Guardian, calls environmentalism a "death cult" run by "fear-mongering, snobbish, isolationist puritans". The "anti-flying squad" is "illiberal, irrational, parochial, narrow-minded and backward". Plane Stupid's recent protest at Stansted, he says, was motivated by "unabashed, undiluted, unattractive class hatred".
If you understand and accept what climate science is saying, you need no further explanation for protests against airport expansion. But if, like Brendan and his fellow travellers, you refuse to accept that man-made climate change is real, you must show that the campaign to curb it is the result of an irrational impulse. The impulse they choose, because it's an easy stereotype and it suits their prolier-than-thou posturing, is the urge to preserve the wonders of the world for the upper classes. "Cheap flights," O'Neill claims, "has become code for lowlife scum, an issue through which you can attack the 'underclass', the working class and the nouveau riche with impunity."
The connection seems obvious, doesn't it? More cheap flights must be of greatest benefit to the poor. A campaign against airport expansion must therefore be an attack on working-class aspirations. It might be obvious, but it's wrong.
The Sustainable Development Commission collated the figures on passengers using airports in the United Kingdom between 1987 and 2004. During this period, total passenger numbers more than doubled and the price of flights collapsed. The number of people in the lowest two socio-economic categories (D and E) who flew rose, but their proportion fell, from 10% of passengers in 1987 to 8% in 2004. By 2004, there were over five times as many passengers in classes A and B than in classes D and E.
Today, the Civil Aviation Authority's surveys show, the average gross household income of leisure passengers using Heathrow is £59,000 (the national average is £34,660); the average individual income of the airport's business passengers (36% of its traffic) is £83,000. The wealthiest 18% of the population buy 54% of all tickets, the poorest 18% buy 5%.
O'Neill champions Ryanair, Britain's biggest low-cost carrier, as the hero of the working classes. So where would you expect this airline to place most of its advertising? I have the estimated figures for its spending on newspaper ads in 2007. They show that it placed nothing in the Sun, the News of the World, the Mirror, the Star or the Express, but 52% of its press spending went to the Daily Telegraph. Ryanair knows who its main customers are: second-home owners and people who take foreign holidays several times a year.
Who, in the age of the one-penny ticket, is being prevented from flying? It's not because they can't afford the flights that the poor fly less than the rich; it's because they can't afford the second homes in Tuscany, the skiing holidays at Klosters or the scuba diving in the Bahamas. British people already fly twice as much as citizens of the United States, and one fifth of the world's flights use the UK's airports. If people here don't travel, it's not because of a shortage of runways.
At the core of the campaign against a third Heathrow runway are the blue-collar workers and working-class mums of the village of Sipson, whose homes are due to be flattened so that the rich can fly more. If wealthy people don't like living under a flight path, they can move; the poor just have to lump it. Through climate breakdown, the richest people on earth trash the lives of the poorest.
Yes, this is a class war; and Brendan O'Neill and his fellow travellers have sided with the toffs. These Marxist proletarian firebrands are defending the class they profess to hate. Bosses of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your planes.
www.monbiot.com
• This article was amended on Wednesday 14 January 2009. We said that a large Aga running on coal turns out nine tonnes of carbon dioxide per year: five times the total CO2 production of the average UK home. We meant to say that an Aga produces 35% more than the total CO2 production of the average UK home. This has been corrected.

pies1981

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Friday 16th January 2009
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You owe me 8 minutes of my life

Balmoral Green

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277 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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Not a bad pun attempt with the thread title though, it nearly worked.

blueyes

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Friday 16th January 2009
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pies1981 said:
You owe me 8 minutes of my life
8 minutes you could have spent learning how to read faster.

smile

fadeaway

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255 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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colonel c said:
Rich Greens beware! Boy George is after you.

The Guardian said:

Don't use an aga to heat your patio. Buy a patio heater.
Wow, never thought I'd read that in the Guardian wink

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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On another thread I said:
chris watton said:
Moonbat's on R2 now, telling a woman off for using her aga, stating that poor people are dying because of the aga she's using!

Please, how can we take this whole thing seriously, and not treat it with the contempt it truly deserves!
He's exiled in wildest Wales, from trendy Lunnun, so I expect there'll be a few disgruntled Aga burning natives nearby..

Maybe he'll find his way into one...smile

His luck can't last forever...

Moonbats Website said:
George Monbiot...in Indonesia, Brazil and East Africa, he was shot at, beaten up by military police, shipwrecked and stung into a poisoned coma by hornets. He came back to work in Britain after being pronounced clinically dead in Lodwar General Hospital in north-western Kenya, having contracted cerebral malaria.

In Britain, he joined the roads protest movement. He was hospitalised by security guards, who drove a metal spike through his foot, smashing the middle bone.
Cerebral malaria, eh..? Hmmm...

It also says he lives with his daughter...did Mrs Moonbat get fed up with all this crap too?

singlecoil

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Friday 16th January 2009
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The fact that well off people are the main users of air travel has been obvious for years, that they are also the main users of budget airlines is not so obvious, but undoubtedly true

pies1981

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Friday 16th January 2009
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blueyes said:
pies1981 said:
You owe me 8 minutes of my life
8 minutes you could have spent learning how to read faster.

smile
Considering i was having a wk at the same time i thought 8 minutes was a very respectable time....

Edited by pies1981 on Friday 16th January 18:36

rhinochopig

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Friday 16th January 2009
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I've never understood why people like them TBH (other than an aesthetic thing). They are terrible things.

raharley

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215 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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Can someone please summarise. Reading that much of the Guardian would kill me.

Furyous

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250 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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Media in bullst spin surprise........

revrange

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213 months

Friday 16th January 2009
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I really don't like that guy...i mean i really don't like him.

Prof Beard

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Friday 16th January 2009
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revrange said:
I really don't like that guy...i mean i really don't like him.
Then you like this:

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/specials/a...

madbadger

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Friday 16th January 2009
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I like the correction at the bottom.

G'nad said:
Yesterday we made up the fact that an aga produces five times the emissions of a whole house but actually that is bks and we were out by a factor of 15.

Don't forget to tune in for tomorrows made up ste.
wink

singlecoil

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Friday 16th January 2009
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madbadger said:
I like the correction at the bottom.

G'nad said:
Yesterday we made up the fact that an aga produces five times the emissions of a whole house but actually that is bks and we were out by a factor of 15.

Don't forget to tune in for tomorrows made up ste.
wink
Excepting that it was actually a factor of 3.7, that is a very fair comment.

madbadger

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Friday 16th January 2009
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singlecoil said:
madbadger said:
I like the correction at the bottom.

G'nad said:
Yesterday we made up the fact that an aga produces five times the emissions of a whole house but actually that is bks and we were out by a factor of 15.

Don't forget to tune in for tomorrows made up ste.
wink
Excepting that it was actually a factor of 3.7, that is a very fair comment.
paperbag

I read it as 35% rather than an extra 35%.

AdeTuono

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Saturday 17th January 2009
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rhinochopig said:
I've never understood why people like them TBH (other than an aesthetic thing). They are terrible things.
You need to live with one for a while; they're the V8 of the kitchen world.

Mello

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263 months

Saturday 17th January 2009
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Bloody Guardian. They'll be telling us we can't use a Saturn 5 to light the bloody Aga next. Outrageous. Hrrrumph. moan

Plotloss

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Saturday 17th January 2009
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Who the bloody hell runs a coal fired Aga these days?

Sensationalist ste.