Heads up re online self assesment
Heads up re online self assesment
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Distant

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2,505 posts

224 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Just in case you weren't aware, if you're planning on submitting your tax return online you have to wait a week for them to send you an activation code by post!! eek

Gotta feel sorry for the people who go to do it next week only to be forced to miss the deadline and incur penalties.

Do it now peeps!

Eric Mc

125,873 posts

296 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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It could almost be too late already. I am pretty sure anyone asking the Revenue for their PIN now will be lucky to have it in time.

I am anticipating that the Revenue's computer will collapse as we get near to 31 January - although so far it's been behaving itself.

Slagathore

6,225 posts

223 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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That would be me then.

Started to register earlier. Now waiting on my pin.

Didn't realise you had to wait for the pin to come through, assumed they would send you some sort of activation by Email. I'm sure there is somewhere in the small print that says about waiting a week, and if you leave it too late registering it isn't their fault if you go past the deadline.

I'm not even self employed anymore, so once this is filled in and done I'm gunna unregister my self.

Any idea how I go about that?

wattsm666

742 posts

296 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Asked for a pin on Sunday/Monday and came in the post today. Thankfully my return has been submitted already but lots of people are going to be in trouble this year!

Soovy

35,829 posts

302 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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And you think this is not a ruse to give people fines.

This government is the biggest c nt EVER.

Distant

Original Poster:

2,505 posts

224 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Soovy said:
And you think this is not a ruse to give people fines.

This government is the biggest c nt EVER.
Its a complete and utter urine extraction. Disgraceful.

Piglet

6,250 posts

286 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Err in fairness the "wait a week for a PIN" has been in place for the last four or more years.

Leaving it till the last week to even register doesn't really leave you much wiggle room, it's not like we haven't all had 9 months to submit the SA.

(and yes I'm sitting here still doing my SA but at least I have a log-in and I've checked that I know the correct password).

Wings

5,970 posts

246 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Piglet said:
Err in fairness the "wait a week for a PIN" has been in place for the last four or more years.

Leaving it till the last week to even register doesn't really leave you much wiggle room, it's not like we haven't all had 9 months to submit the SA.

(and yes I'm sitting here still doing my SA but at least I have a log-in and I've checked that I know the correct password).
+1,mine was submitted in early September, there will always be those who will leave their Returns until the last minute, and then point their fingers at HMR&C when they get a penalty fine.

BigLepton

5,042 posts

232 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Piglet said:
Err in fairness the "wait a week for a PIN" has been in place for the last four or more years.

Leaving it till the last week to even register doesn't really leave you much wiggle room, it's not like we haven't all had 9 months to submit the SA.

(and yes I'm sitting here still doing my SA but at least I have a log-in and I've checked that I know the correct password).
It has, but despite spending millions on those annoying, nagging 'get it done online by January 31st' adverts, none of them mention that if you try to do it online for the first time on Jan. 31st you are screwed because before you do it, you have to wait for a snailmail code. I bet that £100 fine trap more than pays for all the adverts. . . . . .

Slagathore

6,225 posts

223 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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I'll be honest, I completely forgot about mine.

It was only when I got a letter through at the beginning of the month telling me I had until the end of the month to submit it that I remembered.

Hopefully the pin will come through in a couple days. If not, I shan't get angry about it, as it's completely my fualt.

They should really advertise that it takes 7 days for a pin, though................


wink

Eric Mc

125,873 posts

296 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Don't forget that if you don't owe any tax at the end of January, you won't be liable for the fine. So, if you can't submit the return before the deadline, you can pay your tax bill before the deadline. That will cancel any penalties.

Anatol

1,392 posts

265 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Also worth being aware that partnership SA returns CANNOT be completed online, even though the notice to complete one they send you, AND the partnership tax return guide document tell you they can.

If you were planning on submitting a partnership return online, the advice I got from the HMRC helpline was to submit a paper one, with a covering letter explaining why it's late, and asking that they not fine you (which apparently they are still entitled to). rolleyes

Tol

Eric Mc

125,873 posts

296 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Anatol said:
Also worth being aware that partnership SA returns CANNOT be completed online, even though the notice to complete one they send you, AND the partnership tax return guide document tell you they can.

If you were planning on submitting a partnership return online, the advice I got from the HMRC helpline was to submit a paper one, with a covering letter explaining why it's late, and asking that they not fine you (which apparently they are still entitled to). rolleyes

Tol
Not completely true. I've been merrilly submitting parthenrship returns online since the middle of 2007. Perhaps partnership returns cannot be submitted using the Revenue's own web pages and on-screen menus but they definitely can be submitted using dedicated accounting/tax return software such as the package I use - Iris Software.

Anatol

1,392 posts

265 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Eric Mc said:
Not completely true. I've been merrilly submitting parthenrship returns online since the middle of 2007. Perhaps partnership returns cannot be submitted using the Revenue's own web pages and on-screen menus but they definitely can be submitted using dedicated accounting/tax return software such as the package I use - Iris Software.
You professionals and your dedicated software wink

I bow to your superior knowledge of such things. However those of use with only the option of using the HMRC pages are out of time, and luck...

You think they'd mention in the notice to complete, or return guide, that this option isn't available...?

Tol

Eric Mc

125,873 posts

296 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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You could pop into a firm of accountants and ask them to do it for you. The problem is that they would charge - and probably more than the £100 penalty.

Even if there is a partnership return to submit, you should still be able to submit the returns of the individual partners on-line.

Just to console you, there is a list that runs for over 12 pages outlining all the aspects of self-assessment tax returns that cannot be returned on-line.


Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 22 January 10:58

Horse_Apple

3,795 posts

273 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Soovy said:
And you think this is not a ruse to give people fines.

This government is the biggest c nt EVER.
Soovy, the fines are a tax on the lazy, incompetant and stupid.

As such I applaud them. Even though I often end up paying them biggrin

Eric Mc

125,873 posts

296 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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I would not be so quick to judge.

British taxation is woefully complicated and it is rather unfair to assume that everybody who is submitting a tax return in January is lazy and incompetent. There are all sorts of issues surrounding the completion of tax returns, especially if the underlying data is complicated or the taxpayer is dependent on a third party to provide some essential information.

Because the tax system is complicated, the onus should be on HMRC to explain CLEARLY and TRUTHFULLY what their systems can cope with and what it cannot cope with.

Just pop over to one of the accounting forums to see how difficult the Revenue can make things on occasions.

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 22 January 11:24

Anatol

1,392 posts

265 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Eric Mc said:
You could pop into a firm of accountants and ask them to do it for you. The problem is that they would charge - and probably more than the £100 penalty.

Even if there is a partnership return to submit, you should still be able to submit the returns of the individual partners on-line.
Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 22 January 10:58
The partners' returns are all done and dusted. The partnership in question has been registered at companies house, (it's a limited partnership [and not a limited liability partnership]) but not commenced trading. As such there's no tax bill to pay, so I'm hoping that we'll benefit from the rule that they can't fine you an amount greater than your bill owed anyway...

Tol

Piglet

6,250 posts

286 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Eric Mc said:
it is rather unfair to assume that everybody who is submitting a tax return in January is lazy and incompetent.
I'm a persistent January submitter, entirely because I'm lazy and incompetent biggrin

I would happily pay an accountant to deal but I've never managed to get my act together soon enough to instruct one!

groomi

9,331 posts

274 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Eric Mc said:
Just pop over to one of the accounting forums...
Do such places exist? I'm not sure I could handle the excitement... wink