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asbo

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26,140 posts

243 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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Anyone been to see it yet? What did you think?

Mrs Asbo and I went along yesterday. I was expecting great things but came away a little perplexed. I thought Hitler was OK, but by all accounts he was a far more volatile man than that portrayed in the film. Also Himmler was pure evil and I didn't think this was accurately represented either.

The jury's also out on the accents (or lack thereof). I understand why they omitted them, but then again I don't, if you get me.

Thoughts?

fathomfive

11,214 posts

219 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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asbo said:
Anyone been to see it yet? What did you think?

Mrs Asbo and I went along yesterday. I was expecting great things but came away a little perplexed. I thought Hitler was OK, but by all accounts he was a far more volatile man than that portrayed in the film. Also Himmler was pure evil and I didn't think this was accurately represented either.

The jury's also out on the accents (or lack thereof). I understand why they omitted them, but then again I don't, if you get me.

Thoughts?
I've not seen it, but can you imagine Tom Cruise doing a German accent?

Kaelic

2,720 posts

230 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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Havent seen it yet but if you want the best portrayal of Hitler in film then if you havent seen Downfall (Der Untergang) then grab yourself a copy. Even though its subtitled its a brilliant piece of cinema!

Was looking forward to Valkyrie but have heard lots of mixed reactions to it, and I think its more of an attempt to cash in on the event than to accurately portray what actually happened.

A1GOY

1,521 posts

231 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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fathomfive said:
asbo said:
Anyone been to see it yet? What did you think?

Mrs Asbo and I went along yesterday. I was expecting great things but came away a little perplexed. I thought Hitler was OK, but by all accounts he was a far more volatile man than that portrayed in the film. Also Himmler was pure evil and I didn't think this was accurately represented either.

The jury's also out on the accents (or lack thereof). I understand why they omitted them, but then again I don't, if you get me.

Thoughts?
I've not seen it, but can you imagine Tom Cruise doing a German accent?
I judged it on the trailer.
Bill Nigh (sp?), Tom Wilkinson being fantastic as usual, cut to Cruise in his thickest septic accent - "By fighting for my country, I'm betryaing my country".
I cringed and made a mental note to avoid it at all costs.

Sciroccology

29,908 posts

259 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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asbo said:
The jury's also out on the accents (or lack thereof). I understand why they omitted them, but then again I don't, if you get me.
Pop over to the BBC iplayer and watch Jonathan Ross' interview with Mr Cruise. He explains about the accent thing.

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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A Tom Cruise film.... Unfortunately he's lost all credibility. I might go and see it if one of the main actors wasn't going to have me thinking "HA HA what a wacko" everytime he's in shot.

OJ

14,209 posts

257 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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Kaelic said:
Havent seen it yet but if you want the best portrayal of Hitler in film then if you havent seen Downfall (Der Untergang) then grab yourself a copy. Even though its subtitled its a brilliant piece of cinema!
+1

I very rarely can be bothered enough to enjoy a subtitled film, but I was engrossed by downfall

randomman

2,215 posts

218 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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TBH not fussed on seeing it. Tom Cruise trying to save the world again...

asbo

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26,140 posts

243 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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OJ said:
Kaelic said:
Havent seen it yet but if you want the best portrayal of Hitler in film then if you havent seen Downfall (Der Untergang) then grab yourself a copy. Even though its subtitled its a brilliant piece of cinema!
+1

I very rarely can be bothered enough to enjoy a subtitled film, but I was engrossed by downfall
Is this the film that spawned the spoof of Hitler being outraged by the suggestion he buy a Cadilac to replace his Merc? hehe

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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asbo said:
OJ said:
Kaelic said:
Havent seen it yet but if you want the best portrayal of Hitler in film then if you havent seen Downfall (Der Untergang) then grab yourself a copy. Even though its subtitled its a brilliant piece of cinema!
+1

I very rarely can be bothered enough to enjoy a subtitled film, but I was engrossed by downfall
Is this the film that spawned the spoof of Hitler being outraged by the suggestion he buy a Cadilac to replace his Merc? hehe
Or his PC updates went wrong, or they lost his dog...etc

OJ

14,209 posts

257 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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It is indeed hehe

Kaelic

2,720 posts

230 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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asbo said:
OJ said:
Kaelic said:
Havent seen it yet but if you want the best portrayal of Hitler in film then if you havent seen Downfall (Der Untergang) then grab yourself a copy. Even though its subtitled its a brilliant piece of cinema!
+1

I very rarely can be bothered enough to enjoy a subtitled film, but I was engrossed by downfall
Is this the film that spawned the spoof of Hitler being outraged by the suggestion he buy a Cadilac to replace his Merc? hehe
Yups thats the one

Its the Scene when the generals decided to tell Hitler that all his armies are practically decimated and no-one would be coming to help. Spawned many subtitled piss-takes biggrin

V8mate

45,899 posts

218 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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I would be really interested in a film telling a story like this but am completely put off by the casting of Cruise.

I gets to the stage when an actor's face becomes so well known, that you expect to see them in roles which follow their biggest successes. And, for me, Mr Mission Impossible/Top Gun just doesn't cut it in a serious portrayal of an historic German military figure.

asbo

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26,140 posts

243 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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<makes mental note to download the film tonight>

A1GOY

1,521 posts

231 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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Anyone seen Goodbye Lenin? Also German, also subtitled, also brilliant.

Strangely Brown

15,572 posts

260 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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The thing about watching Downfall is that once you've seen the "Hitler wants a new car" or "Hitler gets banned from Xbox Live" versions on youtube you'll never be able to watch it again. hehe

cardigankid

8,879 posts

241 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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I am keen to go along and see it. I did read a review at the weekend that suggested it was an attempt 'to put the SS into Mission Impossible'. As long as he isn't diving around in slow motion firing two guns simultaneously I won't complain.

Actually, I think Tom Cruise is quite a good actor when he makes an effort. Most of the time he is far too self indulgent.I also think a film like this should either be in German or at least sound German. Downfall was in German and I don't think that spoilt it for audiences.

cardigankid

8,879 posts

241 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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The best Downfall spoof had to be Hitler's Nissan GTR.

V8mate

45,899 posts

218 months

Monday 26th January 2009
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cardigankid said:
The best Downfall spoof had to be Hitler's Nissan GTR.
Nah, the Gordon Brown one.

asbo

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26,140 posts

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Monday 26th January 2009
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cardigankid said:
I am keen to go along and see it. I did read a review at the weekend that suggested it was an attempt 'to put the SS into Mission Impossible'. As long as he isn't diving around in slow motion firing two guns simultaneously I won't complain.

Actually, I think Tom Cruise is quite a good actor when he makes an effort. Most of the time he is far too self indulgent.I also think a film like this should either be in German or at least sound German. Downfall was in German and I don't think that spoilt it for audiences.
Agreed. The lack of any attempt at a German accent makes the film confusing. At first I had thought the Coup plotters were imposters from their own countries masquerading as German officers.

Only after 20 mins or so, does it dawn on you that Mr Scientology is actually a puka German officer. Mmmm scratchchin