Self employed - what can I claim?
Self employed - what can I claim?
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NobleLord

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1,065 posts

277 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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I'm considering becoming self-employed as a consultant. I've always been an employee and am far from experienced in matters of tax and the associated benefits/pitfalls of being self-employed.

What I want to know is, what can I offset against tax to ensure I pay as little as possible when year end comes round?

Thanks,
NL

escargot

17,123 posts

246 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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I strongly suggest you talk to an accountant. There is absolutely NOTHING simple about what you can and can't offset. It's a bloody minefield.

PD9

2,040 posts

214 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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escargot said:
I'm the one second row down & third from the left.
hehe

ewenm

28,506 posts

274 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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You can claim legitimate business expenses against your pre-tax earnings. However, you may have a different view of what is legitimate to the view held by HMRC and it's difficult to get a definitive answer.

As said above, talk it through with an accountant.

Nobody You Know

8,422 posts

222 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Get a good accountant and you can claim for just about everything.....

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Any expenses incurred "wholly and exclusively for the purpose of the trade" are allowable.

There are a couple of exceptions, the most important being "Business Entertaining" which is never allowable.

The other concept non-accountants/tax advisers don't always understand is the differentiation between "Capital" expenditure and "Revenue" expenditure and the different way capital costs are treated in accounts and in tax computations.

The vast bulk of "lay" people who do their own self assessment tax returns get these areas totally wrong.

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

263 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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You'll find that accountants will have different views on what is an what is not acceptable. For instance, I put my wet-weather gear through the books but colleagues have told me their accountant won't accept this. My view is that whatever you can reasonably claim is a business-only expense is fine to put through.

Just leave it to your accountant anyway. Compile your monthly books, and give the lot to him/her at the end of the tax year to sort out.

deckster

9,631 posts

284 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Nobody You Know said:
Ignore your accountant and you can claim for just about everything, until HMRC investigate your tax returns and stiff you for back tax, interest and penalties
EFA

Nobody You Know

8,422 posts

222 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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deckster said:
Nobody You Know said:
Ignore your accountant and you can claim for just about everything, until HMRC investigate your tax returns and stiff you for back tax, interest and penalties
EFA
Good accountant.

cjs

11,638 posts

280 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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As a Consultant I doubt you will have that many legitimate expenses. Obviously travel and vehicle costs but only for business use. Telephone and internet costs. 'Office' costs, computer, fax machine, stationary, postage etc. My accountant offsets an amount as I use a room in my house as an office. Business insurance. Accountant's fee!!

Can't see much else you will be able to claim for.

Buying a 'Company Car' is an option, you need to speak to an accountant to see if it is worthwhile.

Don't forget VAT, will you go over the VAT turnover threshold? (how much is it now??) You may end up having to charge VAT and claim back on you outgoings.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 27th January 2009
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Parrot of Doom said:
You'll find that accountants will have different views on what is an what is not acceptable. For instance, I put my wet-weather gear through the books but colleagues have told me their accountant won't accept this. My view is that whatever you can reasonably claim is a business-only expense is fine to put through.

Just leave it to your accountant anyway. Compile your monthly books, and give the lot to him/her at the end of the tax year to sort out.
"Protective Clioothing" is a genuine business cost and, if the clothing is obviously of a "protective" nature (helmets, goggles, work gloves, boiler suits, overalls, unifirms, steel capped boots etc) then there should be no problem claiming such costs. The Revenue are not so keen on people claiming "ordinary" clothing as business costs.

solidsingh

55 posts

238 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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im studying accounting

if you send me a list of your expenses i will tell you what is allowable and what isnt

my ad is jagdeeprattu AT gmail.com

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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solidsingh said:
im studying accounting

if you send me a list of your expenses i will tell you what is allowable and what isnt

my ad is jagdeeprattu AT gmail.com
Hope you have your professional indemnity insurance in place then?

Jasandjules

72,565 posts

258 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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Best bet is to ask in the Business section for recommended accountants IMHO and contact them.

Brown and Boris

11,838 posts

264 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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I was told that a good accountant will save their own fees in helping you minimise your tax liability, and that was true for me for a number of years until we went limited co, and even then he made a decent headway compared to the figures I keep. The last year or so as I have got a bit more knowledgeable and he has less room to manouvere those gaps have closed but certainly for a self employed person with equipment to buy, vehicles to run and even wages to pay I would suggest a good accountant is your best investment.

I chose one with a good local reputation and one who keeps me in line, as there will always be those recommended because 'they save me a fortune because they know all the wrinkles and tell me what to say'. My thinking was if the guy who does my car and decorates my house knows that, so do HMRC and I don't want to be first port of call when HMRC have a bit of slack time.

Golden rule: don't mess with the HMRC.

Cpn Jack Spanner

2,632 posts

234 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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Useful stuff to 'consider' as 'possible' business expenses:

Rent/rates/gas/electric etc for your own home for any parts dedicated to business. So if half of the rooms in your home are dedicated to: office, work stations, storage for business etc - then half of all bills are business related!

Car: allowance for miles covered for business use, think it's 40p a mile (need to check). So if you do 10,000 miles related to business, you can claim £4000 as an 'expense'! (+ Fuel costs, but not the vehicle unless it's a van). I don't think there's any good reason to get a 'company car', these became expensive back in the 1980's when huge taxes were put on havin g one. And Gordon Brown put even more taxes on company cars, but that of course had no effect on vehicle sales whatsoever.

Holidays: If you travel abroad constantly, the whole trip can be claimed as a business expense provided the main reason for going, and most of what you do there, is business related. If it's a split holiday/business, then you can claim half the costs.


If anyone knows of any other interesting ones, list them! Even if they don't apply to everyone, there could be something I'm missing!



Edited by Cpn Jack Spanner on Wednesday 28th January 09:58

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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Cpn Jack Spanner said:
Useful stuff to 'consider' as 'possible' business expenses:

Rent/rates/gas/electric etc for your own home for any parts dedicated to business. So if half of the rooms in your home are dedicated to: office, work stations, storage for business etc - then half of all bills are business related!

Car: allowance for miles covered for business use, think it's 40p a mile (need to check). So if you do 10,000 miles related to business, you can claim £4000 as an 'expense'! (+ Fuel costs, but not the vehicle unless it's a van). I don't think there's any good reason to get a 'company car', these became expensive back in the 1980's when huge taxes were put on havin g one. And Gordon Brown put even more taxes on company cars, but that of course had no effect on vehicle sales whatsoever.

Holidays: If you travel abroad constantly, the whole trip can be claimed as a business expense provided the main reason for going, and most of what you do there, is business related. If it's a split holiday/business, then you can claim half the costs.


If anyone knows of any other interesting ones, list them! Even if they don't apply to everyone, there could be something I'm missing!



Edited by Cpn Jack Spanner on Wednesday 28th January 09:58
Don't confuse the OP. Company Car regulations apply to "employees and directors" so a sole trader need not be concerned witrh them.

Also, it is doubtful that the Revenue would agree to 50% of your home being dedicated to business useage. They will normally accept a proprtion of these domestic costs based on the use of one room - so anything from 1/4 to 1/7 is the norm - depending on the house.

Wings

5,966 posts

244 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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Don't confuse the OP. Company Car regulations apply to "employees and directors" so a sole trader need not be concerned witrh them.

Also, it is doubtful that the Revenue would agree to 50% of your home being dedicated to business useage. They will normally accept a proprtion of these domestic costs based on the use of one room - so anything from 1/4 to 1/7 is the norm - depending on the house.
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+1 Agree, and if one did try to claim 50% of one's home for business use, then perhaps the HMR&C on didposal of the home might look at CGT on the disposal gain.

The above, together with other expenses that linked to both the business and one’s home and private/personal life, such as the family car, home telephone, internet etc. etc., then I personally deduct a percentage of the total cost for personal use.

My accounts show a 25% deduction for personal/private use for the above type bills, as for using a room in the home for business use, I deduct an allowance of £500 per accounting year.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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Wings said:
Don't confuse the OP. Company Car regulations apply to "employees and directors" so a sole trader need not be concerned witrh them.

Also, it is doubtful that the Revenue would agree to 50% of your home being dedicated to business useage. They will normally accept a proprtion of these domestic costs based on the use of one room - so anything from 1/4 to 1/7 is the norm - depending on the house.
+1 Agree, and if one did try to claim 50% of one's home for business use, then perhaps the HMR&C on didposal of the home might look at CGT on the disposal gain.

The above, together with other expenses that linked to both the business and one’s home and private/personal life, such as the family car, home telephone, internet etc. etc., then I personally deduct a percentage of the total cost for personal use.

My accounts show a 25% deduction for personal/private use for the above type bills, as for using a room in the home for business use, I deduct an allowance of £500 per accounting year.
£500 is well within the "reasonable" boundaries of the Revenue for the average house.

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
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My chap has always said that 'use of home for business' is a fixed sum - something like £234 pa IIRC.