Mandatory Holiday - is that legal?
Mandatory Holiday - is that legal?
Author
Discussion

Kinky

Original Poster:

39,945 posts

300 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
quotequote all
A quick question on behalf of a neighbour of mine .....

Lets say he has 29 days holiday a year, and his employment contract states that the company can 'mandate' that he takes 5 days at a time determined by them ......

In addition to the contracted 5-days per year - can his company also state (not contractually) that he must equally split his remaining holidays, quarterly, over the coming year?

What I mean is that he has 29 days entitlement .... exclude the 5 'mandatory' days - he must then take 6 days each quarter.

Is that legal?

Many thanks in advance,

K

groomi

9,331 posts

274 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
quotequote all
IMO - if it's not in his contract then they can't dictate in this way. Whether it's advisable to rock the boat at the present time is another matter...

Kinky

Original Poster:

39,945 posts

300 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
quotequote all
groomi said:
Whether it's advisable to rock the boat at the present time is another matter...
That's my personal opinion too, but I don't know how his situation is. He's certainly never expressed any concern about his job, or the company, future, etc, etc (that I recall).

Don

28,378 posts

315 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
quotequote all
Most employment contracts have a clause that basically says you can take your holiday anytime the Company approves it. Which means they can stipulate any restrictions they like to deal with operational issues...cover and so on.

Many also include a clause that says that the Company can require you to take vacation as and when they like. This is often used for factory shutdowns in the summer, or office closures over Christmas.

They'll all have nice looking words that say they'll try and grant vacation time as and when requested but they nearly always boil down to you'll take your vacation when they want you to - should there ever be an argument.

If you sign the contract. Then you've agreed.

BoxheadTim

101 posts

219 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
quotequote all
... unless you happen to work in a field where the regulator mandates that employees take a certain number of consecutive days off. Like the FSA "must take two weeks holiday consecutively every year" rule.

Don

28,378 posts

315 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
quotequote all
BoxheadTim said:
... unless you happen to work in a field where the regulator mandates that employees take a certain number of consecutive days off. Like the FSA "must take two weeks holiday consecutively every year" rule.
Yep. All of the above vacation business being put in the contract does not absolve bothethe employer and the employee from complying with regulations. yes

grumbas

1,178 posts

222 months

Wednesday 28th January 2009
quotequote all
BoxheadTim said:
... unless you happen to work in a field where the regulator mandates that employees take a certain number of consecutive days off. Like the FSA "must take two weeks holiday consecutively every year" rule.
Which FSA rule is that? I would imagine quite a few places fall foul of that one!

BoxheadTim

101 posts

219 months

Thursday 29th January 2009
quotequote all
It's one that applies to people in FSA-regulated jobs mainly. For more info you'll have to ask a HR professional smile.

TuscNick

817 posts

269 months

Thursday 29th January 2009
quotequote all
Under the Working Time regs to are entitled to Holidays, however the employer can control when you have those holidays.

So yes it is legal.

Quote from WTR

There is a minimum right to paid holiday, but your employer may offer more than this. The main things you should know about holiday rights are:

you are entitled to a minimum of 4.8 weeks times your usual working week (from 1 October 2007)
the entitlement will increase to 5.6 weeks from 1 April 2009
those working part-time are entitled to the same level of holiday pro rata (so currently 4.8 times your usual working week)

you start building up holiday as soon as you start work
your employer can control when you take your holiday
you get paid your normal pay for your holiday
when you finish a job, you get paid for any holiday you’ve not taken
bank and public holidays can be included in your minimum entitlement
you continue to be entitled to your holiday leave throughout your ordinary and additional maternity leave and paternity and adoption leave

Nick

shirt

25,540 posts

232 months

Thursday 29th January 2009
quotequote all
rare, but yeah its legal. i get 35 days a year, 10 of which are dictated by the company, usually when there are major plant shutdowns and we'd just be sat here twiddling our thumbs. usually get the tuesday after a bank holiday as one, so can't complain.

Graham

16,381 posts

315 months

Thursday 29th January 2009
quotequote all
is it still legal to include bank holidays as part of the mandatory holiday I thought that changed recently...


Doesnt effect me I work for my self and have no holiday entitlement the boss is a c*nt

G

Don

28,378 posts

315 months

Thursday 29th January 2009
quotequote all
Graham said:
is it still legal to include bank holidays as part of the mandatory holiday I thought that changed recently...


Doesnt effect me I work for my self and have no holiday entitlement the boss is a c*nt

G
Yes it is still legal. All that's happened is that the number of holiday days you are entitled to has gone up. Since nearly all employers were ALREADY offering FAR more than the legal requirement the number of people this affects is tiny.