Getting rid of employee
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Lets say I employ someone that can use a word processor in my office, now a requirement has come up for someone that can use a word processor and a spreadsheet, ideally we need someone with a good experience of using spreadsheets and we are unable to find a training course to send the existing employee on to learn how to use a spreadsheet.
Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
jamoor said:
Lets say I employ someone that can use a word processor in my office, now a requirement has come up for someone that can use a word processor and a spreadsheet, ideally we need someone with a good experience of using spreadsheets and we are unable to find a training course to send the existing employee on to learn how to use a spreadsheet.
Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
You can't find a course? Really? Someone who can use Word will pick up Excel in no time.Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
Sounds like a crock of sh*t to me.
10 Pence Short said:
jamoor said:
Lets say I employ someone that can use a word processor in my office, now a requirement has come up for someone that can use a word processor and a spreadsheet, ideally we need someone with a good experience of using spreadsheets and we are unable to find a training course to send the existing employee on to learn how to use a spreadsheet.
Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
You can't find a course? Really? Someone who can use Word will pick up Excel in no time.Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
Sounds like a crock of sh*t to me.
It's a made up scenario.
jamoor said:
10 Pence Short said:
jamoor said:
Lets say I employ someone that can use a word processor in my office, now a requirement has come up for someone that can use a word processor and a spreadsheet, ideally we need someone with a good experience of using spreadsheets and we are unable to find a training course to send the existing employee on to learn how to use a spreadsheet.
Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
You can't find a course? Really? Someone who can use Word will pick up Excel in no time.Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
Sounds like a crock of sh*t to me.
It's a made up scenario.
10 Pence Short said:
jamoor said:
10 Pence Short said:
jamoor said:
Lets say I employ someone that can use a word processor in my office, now a requirement has come up for someone that can use a word processor and a spreadsheet, ideally we need someone with a good experience of using spreadsheets and we are unable to find a training course to send the existing employee on to learn how to use a spreadsheet.
Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
You can't find a course? Really? Someone who can use Word will pick up Excel in no time.Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
Sounds like a crock of sh*t to me.
It's a made up scenario.
jamoor said:
10 Pence Short said:
jamoor said:
10 Pence Short said:
jamoor said:
Lets say I employ someone that can use a word processor in my office, now a requirement has come up for someone that can use a word processor and a spreadsheet, ideally we need someone with a good experience of using spreadsheets and we are unable to find a training course to send the existing employee on to learn how to use a spreadsheet.
Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
You can't find a course? Really? Someone who can use Word will pick up Excel in no time.Rather than hiring someone who is able to use a spreadsheet, we want to get rid of the existing employee and hire someone who can use a word processor and spreadsheet software to save money.
Is it actually possible to make the first employee redundant?
Sounds like a crock of sh*t to me.
It's a made up scenario.
Hmm, a solicitor has suggested a compromise agreement, the charges are quite high to write one, the charges vague, and the employee needs to communicate with a solicitor too who may argue the points in the agreement, meaning more charges.
Does anyone know of a good employment solicitor that can give me advice on making a member of staff redundant in a legal manner?
Does anyone know of a good employment solicitor that can give me advice on making a member of staff redundant in a legal manner?
swerni said:
If you get it wrong IIRC you can be sued for up to £27k for breach of process alone.
Don't skimp on the legal costs, it's just not worth it.
I understand that, but I don't understand the point in it being necessary to have a whole mutual compromise shabang?Don't skimp on the legal costs, it's just not worth it.
Although it may be worth it to avoid getting sued perhaps (even though we're not doing anything wrong)?
jamoor said:
Hmm, a solicitor has suggested a compromise agreement, the charges are quite high to write one, the charges vague, and the employee needs to communicate with a solicitor too who may argue the points in the agreement, meaning more charges.
Does anyone know of a good employment solicitor that can give me advice on making a member of staff redundant in a legal manner?
Ask richburley on here, he a personal friend and highly recommended by me as an employment lawyer, he had a look at my compromise agreement and all worked out well...Does anyone know of a good employment solicitor that can give me advice on making a member of staff redundant in a legal manner?
if i remember rightly you have to keep the job hunt secret or not do it until the employee has signed the agreement otherwise they can sue the pants off you for making their job redundant and at the same time asking for someone to replace them.
I would be looking at 4-8 weeks pay as the compromise and 2 months pay whilst putting their job at risk and giving them notice.... or you could be heartless and just give them 4 weeks and the boot and a week of their job at risk.
The Moose said:
How about having an adult-to-adult chat with the employee and saying that its not possible for them to learn the extra qualis they need, but as their initial skill is specialist, then offer to place them in a job of similar standard to what they are doing now.
Option??
Already had a chat, we cannot afford 2 people, we can only have one that already has the skills.Option??
Dupont666 said:
jamoor said:
Hmm, a solicitor has suggested a compromise agreement, the charges are quite high to write one, the charges vague, and the employee needs to communicate with a solicitor too who may argue the points in the agreement, meaning more charges.
Does anyone know of a good employment solicitor that can give me advice on making a member of staff redundant in a legal manner?
Ask richburley on here, he a personal friend and highly recommended by me as an employment lawyer, he had a look at my compromise agreement and all worked out well...Does anyone know of a good employment solicitor that can give me advice on making a member of staff redundant in a legal manner?
if i remember rightly you have to keep the job hunt secret or not do it until the employee has signed the agreement otherwise they can sue the pants off you for making their job redundant and at the same time asking for someone to replace them.
I would be looking at 4-8 weeks pay as the compromise and 2 months pay whilst putting their job at risk and giving them notice.... or you could be heartless and just give them 4 weeks and the boot and a week of their job at risk.
I'm no expert but I suspect you have to give them the opportunity to change & re-skill, with your assistance. If they then fail to meet the grade then you can go through due process (PIP's, written warnings etc) to get rid but it'll be time consuming. Be careful of making their position untennable & being at risk of a constructive dismissal case or not playing by the rules in any way - the laws tend to be very good for the employee in that respect. Let's face it, if you took them on as say a word operator & they've been performing well & you now need an excel operator instead with no possibility of them reskilling to cross the gap then you are going to have to let them go but do it the right way. I assume they've been a good employee so moraly you should do it the right way too.
Mr POD said:
HOW DIM is this person ? Using a spreadsheet is a piece of piss, and with a little training and encouragement anyone apart from an idiot would not have a problem. Offer to pay for them to do the courses for idiots at night school and if they pass give then a pay rise.
Read the thread 
Sounds to Me you dont want to give the person a chance to prove themself. and you are just finding an excuse to employ a replacement.. you cant find a suitable excel course my backside..
There are plenty of decent course where goes through the basics, and upto writing VB in excel.. I have trained people in using excel and to do VB in excel in a little less than a week.
There are plenty of decent course where goes through the basics, and upto writing VB in excel.. I have trained people in using excel and to do VB in excel in a little less than a week.
stevieb said:
Sounds to Me you dont want to give the person a chance to prove themself. and you are just finding an excuse to employ a replacement.. you cant find a suitable excel course my backside..
There are plenty of decent course where goes through the basics, and upto writing VB in excel.. I have trained people in using excel and to do VB in excel in a little less than a week.
Read reply above you. Applies to you also. Read the thread There are plenty of decent course where goes through the basics, and upto writing VB in excel.. I have trained people in using excel and to do VB in excel in a little less than a week.
jamoor said:
Sweet f
king lord.
Read the thread!
Yep i have and in my eye you have someone that can do job X but you now have a requirement for job Y.king lord.Read the thread!
Job X seems to be pretty basic and Job Y you consider to be specialist.
From what you are saying you don’t want to give them the opportunity to advance there career so you want to boot them out.
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