uk strikes in news today

[David87M3]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7859968.stm

About time we looked after our own people

sorry if posted else were

Edited by David87M3 on Friday 30th January 13:37

[Rav]

Wheres Arfur Scargill?

[Swilly]

Environment Secretary Hilary Benn said:

....the angry British workers were "entitled to an answer".

And the answer is that EU workers have the right to work anywhere in the EU.

Trotting out the 'British workers' crap isnt relevant anymore.

This is part and parcel of the EU dream.

[kprm77]

Apparently the workers are being housed in a floating hotel off Grimsby, so the local economy won't benefit from them..

SkyNews Said said:

Italian workers at the Lindsey refinery show their defiance

[TheEnd]

Jobs and contracts should be given to the best suited.
If they can ship in workers, and keep them in a floating hotel, then all the dossers up there can re-think their pricing strategies, or get their act together.
The country won't get out of recession by swaying to emotional blackmail

[heebeegeetee]

Swilly said:

Environment Secretary Hilary Benn said:

....the angry British workers were "entitled to an answer".

And the answer is that EU workers have the right to work anywhere in the EU.

Trotting out the 'British workers' crap isnt relevant anymore.

The only problem with that though is that the British taxpayer has to fund the British unemployed, not the Italian unemployed.

[Swilly]

heebeegeetee said:

Swilly said:

Environment Secretary Hilary Benn said:

....the angry British workers were "entitled to an answer".

And the answer is that EU workers have the right to work anywhere in the EU.

Trotting out the 'British workers' crap isnt relevant anymore.

The only problem with that though is that the British taxpayer has to fund the British unemployed, not the Italian unemployed.

There are the unemployed and the dontwanttobeemployed.

Fund the unemployed whilst they get themselves back to work.

[elster]

Swilly said:

heebeegeetee said:

Swilly said:

Environment Secretary Hilary Benn said:

....the angry British workers were "entitled to an answer".

And the answer is that EU workers have the right to work anywhere in the EU.

Trotting out the 'British workers' crap isnt relevant anymore.

The only problem with that though is that the British taxpayer has to fund the British unemployed, not the Italian unemployed.

There are the unemployed and the dontwanttobeemployed.

Fund the unemployed whilst they get themselves back to work.

I think you will find that is a different argument. There are people who want to be employed for this contract. This argument isn't about dole scroungers.

[m3jappa]

TheEnd said:

Jobs and contracts should be given to the best suited.
If they can ship in workers, and keep them in a floating hotel, then all the dossers up there can re-think their pricing strategies, or get their act together.
The country won't get out of recession by swaying to emotional blackmail

A little unfair i think. Most of the foreign brigade work here and then send their money back home where it is/was worth a lot more, they wouldnt work for peanuts in their own country hence why they are here.

Maybe we should go elsewhere hey?

[elster]

m3jappa said:

TheEnd said:

Jobs and contracts should be given to the best suited.
If they can ship in workers, and keep them in a floating hotel, then all the dossers up there can re-think their pricing strategies, or get their act together.
The country won't get out of recession by swaying to emotional blackmail

A little unfair i think. Most of the foreign brigade work here and then send their money back home where it is/was worth a lot more, they wouldnt work for peanuts in their own country hence why they are here.

Maybe we should go elsewhere hey?

To be fair a lot of people do, I do a bit of work abroad.

[heebeegeetee]

I don't think the Italians are keeping the unemployable out of work, but they might be keeping our own engineers who want to work out of work, and the longer anyone is out of work the harder it is to get them back into work.

I can't see the point in bringing in foeriegn workers while our own are out of work, because doing it that way costs us at every turn.

Perhaps a company who wants to use foreign workers should have to show that there are no local people who are suitable, and if they can't show that, they should fund the unemployment benefit instead of it falling to the taxpayer. As it stands now, the taxpayer is subsiding Shell.

[HRG]

Swilly said:

Environment Secretary Hilary Benn said:

....the angry British workers were "entitled to an answer".

And the answer is that EU workers have the right to work anywhere in the EU.

Trotting out the 'British workers' crap isnt relevant anymore.

This is part and parcel of the EU dream.

Dream? Fecking nightmare more like.

Bring on the referendum, it's time to put our own interests first.

[CrashTD]

Them bloody foreigners. Doing our jobs, properly, on time without needing 23 litres of Tea and spending the first 30 minutes of everyday discussing Claire,19 from Kent

Edited by CrashTD on Friday 30th January 18:13

[Dr Jekyll]

heebeegeetee said:

I don't think the Italians are keeping the unemployable out of work, but they might be keeping our own engineers who want to work out of work, and the longer anyone is out of work the harder it is to get them back into work.

I can't see the point in bringing in foeriegn workers while our own are out of work, because doing it that way costs us at every turn.

Perhaps a company who wants to use foreign workers should have to show that there are no local people who are suitable, and if they can't show that, they should fund the unemployment benefit instead of it falling to the taxpayer. As it stands now, the taxpayer is subsiding Shell.

The company will try to maximise it's profits by taking on the most suitable people. If these aren't local it isn't Shell's problem.

[Fittster]

As migrant workers can't vote I can't see this situation carrying on long term in a recession.

[TheEnd]

Ahem Total, or as i've recently learned, totale...

Anyway, contracts are put out to tender, they are looking for the best and cheapest, at the same time in varying ratios, but either way, they aren't going to accept overpriced workers, or substandard work to keep people happy, as they'll then be taking the hit for the locals, which isn't their problem.

[s,one]

CrashTD said:

Them bloody foreigners. Doing our jobs, properly, on time without needing 23 litres of Tea and spending the first 30 minutes of everyday discussing Claire,19 from Kent

Edited by CrashTD on Friday 30th January 18:13

I'm afraid that was more or less my thoughts.

Site labourers £80 a day for 9 hours of graft by some eastern block fella or employ a Brit who will work maybe 6 hours if your lucky and expect to pay at least £30.00 on top. Mind you the EB chappy will have the milk out of your tea if you don't keep an eye on him.

[hornet]

elster said:

I think you will find that is a different argument. There are people who want to be employed for this contract. This argument isn't about dole scroungers.

Surely their beef ought to be with the companies which failed to win the contract through what I assume was a perfectly legal EU tendering process? I can't imagine skilled Italian engineers are any cheaper than UK engineers, especially when you consider the need to house them, so presumably it was their skills that swayed the decision? If so, it's a lack of investment in domestic training that's the issue, and no amount of strikes will change things. The timing is rather unfortunate, but the downturn isn't really a valid argument, as I believe the contracts have been in place for several years? You don't just pitch up and knock together a £300m HDS unit in a weekend!

I wonder how many of these protesters will be driving home in foreign made cars to cook their dinner in foreign made microwaves and then settle down in front of their foreign made TVs? I don't recall huge protests to keep those industries in the UK, so the whole thing seems somewhat hypocritical. They only care now because it's their industry...I don't suppose any of them would think twice about popping into the local Primark to buy Indian made clothing, but I don't recall any support for the UK textile industry? The whole thing smacks of a union itching for a fight and a chance to dress up xenophobic Daily Mail ranting as economic debate.

[Silver993tt]

elster said:

m3jappa said:

TheEnd said:

Jobs and contracts should be given to the best suited.
If they can ship in workers, and keep them in a floating hotel, then all the dossers up there can re-think their pricing strategies, or get their act together.
The country won't get out of recession by swaying to emotional blackmail

A little unfair i think. Most of the foreign brigade work here and then send their money back home where it is/was worth a lot more, they wouldnt work for peanuts in their own country hence why they are here.

Maybe we should go elsewhere hey?

To be fair a lot of people do, I do a bit of work abroad.

I've worked abroad (mostly in mainland Europe) for the last 16 years because that's where the opportunities have been. Why don't the local British guys in this situation do the same? ....They would say -

"Why should I have to look for work outside of my local town?"
"I've got friends and family that I've know all my life here, it's not fair"
"I wouldn't like it abroad"
"etc, etc, etc"

Well, you know what guys? Tough luck, that's the way of the world. Sometimes you're gonna have to be away from "home" for a few years or maybe even longer. Believe it or not, there are other real people in other countries who you can make friends with and the food? Well, it's probably gonna be a lot better than the ste you're used to at home

For goodness sake, talk about people who are stuck in the past. GET OFF YOUR LAZY ARSES - the world a much bigger place than your local town or pub, so if you want to provide a decent standard of living for yourself and your family there's a good chance that you'll have to travel abroad to work. That's the whole point of the EU, it works both ways, it makes it much easier for you to get a job in Germany, France, Poland or wherever in the EU and the standard of living is likely to be much higher.

[elster]

hornet said:

elster said:

I think you will find that is a different argument. There are people who want to be employed for this contract. This argument isn't about dole scroungers.

Surely their beef ought to be with the companies which failed to win the contract through what I assume was a perfectly legal EU tendering process? I can't imagine skilled Italian engineers are any cheaper than UK engineers, especially when you consider the need to house them, so presumably it was their skills that swayed the decision? If so, it's a lack of investment in domestic training that's the issue, and no amount of strikes will change things. The timing is rather unfortunate, but the downturn isn't really a valid argument, as I believe the contracts have been in place for several years? You don't just pitch up and knock together a £300m HDS unit in a weekend!

I wonder how many of these protesters will be driving home in foreign made cars to cook their dinner in foreign made microwaves and then settle down in front of their foreign made TVs? I don't recall huge protests to keep those industries in the UK, so the whole thing seems somewhat hypocritical. They only care now because it's their industry...I don't suppose any of them would think twice about popping into the local Primark to buy Indian made clothing, but I don't recall any support for the UK textile industry? The whole thing smacks of a union itching for a fight and a chance to dress up xenophobic Daily Mail ranting as economic debate.

What has that got to do with what I said?