Loss On Company Car
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glenn911C4S

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277 posts

263 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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My company bought a new car last year for £28k, we have decided now to sell it, been bid £15k, but owe £21k, is the shortfall tax deductable?

jeff m

4,066 posts

287 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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I'm sure Eric will sort you out, but I'm sure your company will already taken the first years depreciation, at what ever rate is allowable in the UK. 7 year straight possibly.

So that would have to be subtracted.


CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

241 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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yes...as it is deemed to be an expensive car you will get a balancing allowance for the remaining amount of depreciation suffered when you sell it.

cars ordered after 1 April this year regardless of value will no longer have this so the remaining depreciation will be offset over many years, this is a big change

ETA

you would have had a capital allowance of £3k last year and will have £10k this year

Edited by CaptainSlow on Saturday 31st January 18:51

glenn911C4S

Original Poster:

277 posts

263 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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Captain Slow, could you please put your reply into English that a thick sparky like me can understand!!!!

CaptainSlow

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241 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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ok sorry.

when you write the cost of a car off your trading profits you are not allowed to use the depreciation method you use in your financial accounts. there is a prescribed methodology, for this particular car you would have "depreciated" it £3,000 last year (ie reduced your taxable profits by £3,000) if you were to sell it for £15,000 in year two you are able to write off the remaining £10,000 (£28,000 - £3,000 - £15,000). cars bought for less than £12,000 follow different rules as do cars with emissions under 120gkm.

Starting April 1 there will be three rules based on the vehicle's emissions.

sub 110 gkm will be allowed to write the whole cost of the car off in year 1

sub 160 gkm will have an allowance of 20% pa on a reducing balance method. In year of sale the sales proceeds are deducted from the outstanding balance and then 20% of that is taken

above 160 gkm is same as above but only 10%

the lack of taking the balancing allowance in the year of sale will have a big impact on companies. in your case the balancing allowance differential equates to £8,000 (£10,000 - 20% * (£28,000 - £3,000-£15,000))

there is no maximum allowance (currently £3,000 p.a.)

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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I answered this same question over on THe Business Forum. I didn't mention the new rules as I didn't want to confuse the OP.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

241 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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ok. I thought it worth mentioning as it's a major change.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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I agree.
He hasn't come back on the other "thread" as to whether the company owned the car or was leasing it - which would make a difference too.