eerSolenoid hitting chassis?
eerSolenoid hitting chassis?
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SteveOS3

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503 posts

221 months

Monday 2nd February 2009
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After weeks trying to track down the source of a rattle that only happens when accelerating hard and thinking the exhaust was loose I finally found that it is the solenoid impacting on the vertical chassis section next to it.

Having fitted a non-Bosch starter motor I thought it may be due to didderent size casings. Luckily I kept the old starter and it too has a worn section in the same place on the solenoid casing.

Does anyone else have or know of a similar problem, and more importantly, what I could do to remedy it?

Photo taken from above.

Cheers,

SteveO



Barkychoc

7,848 posts

234 months

Monday 2nd February 2009
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Are the engine mounts a bit soggy?
I know you can see it in the pic but I don't know what a good one looks like!
Ketvrin put some shims on his engine mounts to help the sump clear the anti roll bar - might be worth an ask.

mep12345

2,061 posts

231 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2009
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I did the same to lift mine further clear of the ARB when I fitted new polybushes to the front suspension and ARB (the sump had been rubbing under acceleration, but it was only apparant when the ARB was off the car). The fitting of a shim takes all of 10mins and one 3mm shim lifted my engine by about 1cm, which should give you enough clearance for the solenoid in the picture given the rake of that chassis strut.

SteveOS3

Original Poster:

503 posts

221 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2009
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Cheers MEP, now for my novice questions.... I take it all I have to do is raise the engine enough to slip the shim in and lower? Would I need to use a hoist, I don't have one, or can I lift it using a trolley jack and wooden block on the sump?

Cheers,

SteveO

mep12345

2,061 posts

231 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2009
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Undo (loosen) the top nuts on the engine mounts and then place a jack with load spreader under the sump. Lift the engine and the weight will come off the mounts giving you room to slip a shim between the rubber of the mount and the metal of the engine bracket (make sure the metal shim is large enough that the rubber doesn't just deform around the shim). To do this you will need a slotted shim - I got a 3mm square washer from B&Q (about 2" square) and cut the slots with a hack saw then filed the edges - 4 shims cost about £5 - quite expensive for small bits of zinc coated steel but I wanted them quick and B&Q are just down the road.

Mark

ketvrin

3,504 posts

239 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2009
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Clarenceboddigger is the Shim Man... where are you Ken ?

K wink

clarenceboddiger

1,398 posts

245 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Your right Ketvrin, I think I still have some in the garage will look in the morning, if I have then people are welcome to them.

steve j

3,223 posts

258 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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SteveOS3 said:
Cheers MEP, now for my novice questions.... I take it all I have to do is raise the engine enough to slip the shim in and lower? Would I need to use a hoist, I don't have one, or can I lift it using a trolley jack and wooden block on the sump?

Cheers,

SteveO
Hi Steve, remember to have a good look at your sump, it may have been rubbing on the anti roll bar.

mep12345

2,061 posts

231 months

Saturday 7th February 2009
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steve j said:
remember to have a good look at your sump, it may have been rubbing on the anti roll bar.
Mine didn't show at all on the sump (no marking, no intentations and not even any removal of the paint - there was no congealed oil on that bit though which there is over most of the rest - a residue from a now fixed oil leak), it was the paint having been rubbed off the ARB that showed the rubbing and a smoother (flat) profile on the top. I can only think the metal of the ARB is softer than that of the sump.

Mark

SteveOS3

Original Poster:

503 posts

221 months

Sunday 8th February 2009
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Cheers Ken,

I'll send my details if you find any.

Steve

clarenceboddiger

1,398 posts

245 months

Wednesday 11th February 2009
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Hi
found 16No shims they are 2mm thick each, slotted and free to anyone who wants them, will post. 1st come 1st served etc

SteveOS3

Original Poster:

503 posts

221 months

Wednesday 11th February 2009
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Just pm'd my details Ken,

Many thanks,

Steve

SteveOS3

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503 posts

221 months

Thursday 12th February 2009
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Got the tape measure out last night to see what mounts I had.

The vertical height was 1.75", as measured by a 1.5" piece of wood being too small and a 2" piece too big and being shaved down until it fitted.

Now I'm guessing that I may have a 2" mount that has compressed over time but, the small set of numbers I saw ended in 3535, which according to the Parts List is probably a mount from an S3C, but I don't have cats. It's a 1991 2.9 V6 so I'm not sure if cats were standard or not at that time.

Either way, if the shims that Ken may be able to send don't cure the problem I'm looking at getting new mounts.

The question is does it matter if I go for the standard Ford 2" mount or should I try to source the S3C part.

Any advice would be appreciated.

TonupS2

401 posts

220 months

Thursday 12th February 2009
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Steve mine is an 89 S2 2.9 and the old mounts are 2" with no. 073535 on the side (also with Ford logo). Is that any help? probably not but I tried.

SteveOS3

Original Poster:

503 posts

221 months

Thursday 12th February 2009
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Seems exactly the same as mine, I was using a torch held between my teeth in the dark lst night. Today, with more light I can see the Ford logo too.


mep12345

2,061 posts

231 months

Thursday 12th February 2009
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Steve,

There are a number of threads on this if you search, referring to "hard" and "soft" mounts, apparently the softer ones tend to deform quite quickly and the engine drops (they move to form and "S" shape). The harder mounts are recommended and are available at rally design here I believe.

I believe the softer ones are the ones available from the better known part suppliers, however check the other threads and don't just take my word for it - unfortunately I can't check myself as the search function on here won't work at my place of work as the filter blocks it.

Mark

spludge

327 posts

249 months

Thursday 12th February 2009
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I posted a picture of my old mount and one of the Rally Design ones on the other thread that's currently running about this: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

It shows how much they can slump after a few years wear, I used the Rally Design mounts and they work fine. The problem I was trying to solve by the way was sump clearance to the anti-roll bar. If you do end up changing it is worth having a read through the earlier threads to capture the hints and tips about how to do it, it can be a bit of a struggle.

K