Recruitment consultants
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Now, I'm sorry if I'm about to offend anybody here, but I'm sick of having to deal with them at the moment.
They spin you so much crap when they want to speak to you and when they have nothing, they just ignore you. Utter time wasters if you ask me...
Anyway, oddly one of them has just slipped up and mentioned the names of the companies that he is talking to, which is unusual. So, is it wrong for me to directly contact the name that he mentioned? It was somebody I had dealings with a little while back, so I have a slight link already.
They spin you so much crap when they want to speak to you and when they have nothing, they just ignore you. Utter time wasters if you ask me...
Anyway, oddly one of them has just slipped up and mentioned the names of the companies that he is talking to, which is unusual. So, is it wrong for me to directly contact the name that he mentioned? It was somebody I had dealings with a little while back, so I have a slight link already.
LeeThePeople said:
Go for it, they are bottom of the food chain and crawl over anyone to get their next commision. I had to stop using them because they ignored my wants list and sent everyone to me hoping id recruit one.
We're not all that bad; some are wideboys i grant you that, but find a reputable agency with a proven track record in your industry and you should get a good result.rpla102.
As with any profession you get your useless rubbish working within it.
The art is finding those consultants that do provide a valuable service to candidates/clients – although 'needle and haystack' is an expression that often springs to mind in this case.
Your job search will become a lot easier by using consultants that have been recommended to you - Applying to a recruitment consultant is like selecting a builder, using someone who has been recommended is normally a lot less painful.
The art is finding those consultants that do provide a valuable service to candidates/clients – although 'needle and haystack' is an expression that often springs to mind in this case.
Your job search will become a lot easier by using consultants that have been recommended to you - Applying to a recruitment consultant is like selecting a builder, using someone who has been recommended is normally a lot less painful.
theboyfold said:
Now, I'm sorry if I'm about to offend anybody here, but I'm sick of having to deal with them at the moment.
They spin you so much crap when they want to speak to you and when they have nothing, they just ignore you. Utter time wasters if you ask me...
Anyway, oddly one of them has just slipped up and mentioned the names of the companies that he is talking to, which is unusual. So, is it wrong for me to directly contact the name that he mentioned? It was somebody I had dealings with a little while back, so I have a slight link already.
Assuming this is a perm position: if the consultant has already put your CV onto the client's desk, they'll still get a fee, even if you go direct.They spin you so much crap when they want to speak to you and when they have nothing, they just ignore you. Utter time wasters if you ask me...
Anyway, oddly one of them has just slipped up and mentioned the names of the companies that he is talking to, which is unusual. So, is it wrong for me to directly contact the name that he mentioned? It was somebody I had dealings with a little while back, so I have a slight link already.
LeeThePeople said:
Go for it, they are bottom of the food chain and crawl over anyone to get their next commision. I had to stop using them because they ignored my wants list and sent everyone to me hoping id recruit one.
When I was one (a long, long time ago) I used to feel very annoyed with myself if I had to send more than one candidate to be interviewed in order to fill the vacancy. I looked to interview (1-2 hours each) 3-4 on my shortlist, in order to provide 1 excellent fit to the client.I never could understand those who simply "threw mud against the wall" but, sadly, they still seemed to place candidates and earn good money.
The trick, in my experience, is to understand not only the brief and the personalities, but also the motivations of the individuals (both clients and candidates). Only when you get a good match on all three do you get a really successful hire.
JonRB said:
skwdenyer said:
Sorry, obviously haven't seen threads like this before. Explain?
They usually end in a total slanging match between the PHers who are agents and those that use them.Excrement and body parts on every wall. Seldom pretty.
Jon's a valid point in that these discussions generally descent into rants. The fundamental problem is always that the clients of agencies fail to appreciate that this is business and also the people they are dealing with are commission remunerated.
Instead of a business deal the ranters somehow see agents as counsellors/helps who they expect to behave as their best friend. Just deal with it - it's business like any other agent-managed deal - houses, double glazing or kitchens. We deal with agents because they have something to offer of benefit to us, and in the business world it's their job to extract the maximum profit from that. If you think the way they do it sucks then use another. Time has shown that the agents who use too many unpleasant tactics go bust. If agents help your bottom line use them and stop whingeing, if they don't then don't.
Instead of a business deal the ranters somehow see agents as counsellors/helps who they expect to behave as their best friend. Just deal with it - it's business like any other agent-managed deal - houses, double glazing or kitchens. We deal with agents because they have something to offer of benefit to us, and in the business world it's their job to extract the maximum profit from that. If you think the way they do it sucks then use another. Time has shown that the agents who use too many unpleasant tactics go bust. If agents help your bottom line use them and stop whingeing, if they don't then don't.
skwdenyer said:
theboyfold said:
Now, I'm sorry if I'm about to offend anybody here, but I'm sick of having to deal with them at the moment.
They spin you so much crap when they want to speak to you and when they have nothing, they just ignore you. Utter time wasters if you ask me...
Anyway, oddly one of them has just slipped up and mentioned the names of the companies that he is talking to, which is unusual. So, is it wrong for me to directly contact the name that he mentioned? It was somebody I had dealings with a little while back, so I have a slight link already.
Assuming this is a perm position: if the consultant has already put your CV onto the client's desk, they'll still get a fee, even if you go direct.They spin you so much crap when they want to speak to you and when they have nothing, they just ignore you. Utter time wasters if you ask me...
Anyway, oddly one of them has just slipped up and mentioned the names of the companies that he is talking to, which is unusual. So, is it wrong for me to directly contact the name that he mentioned? It was somebody I had dealings with a little while back, so I have a slight link already.
If I was in this situation I'd agree a signing on bonus with the recruiter to deal direct (you're saving them 20% agency fee so why not), and they tell the agency they're no longer recruiting.
Should the agency ever contact you again just tell them you've already secured a position.
I've dealt with quite a few different agencies, some have been brilliant and earned their money. But most seem to expect to earn £000s for simply putting their logo on a CV and clicking forward, without any understanding of the role or candidate.
FamilyGuy said:
Jon's a valid point in that these discussions generally descent into rants. The fundamental problem is always that the clients of agencies fail to appreciate that this is business and also the people they are dealing with are commission remunerated.
Instead of a business deal the ranters somehow see agents as counsellors/helps who they expect to behave as their best friend. Just deal with it - it's business like any other agent-managed deal - houses, double glazing or kitchens. We deal with agents because they have something to offer of benefit to us, and in the business world it's their job to extract the maximum profit from that. If you think the way they do it sucks then use another. Time has shown that the agents who use too many unpleasant tactics go bust. If agents help your bottom line use them and stop whingeing, if they don't then don't.
What he saidInstead of a business deal the ranters somehow see agents as counsellors/helps who they expect to behave as their best friend. Just deal with it - it's business like any other agent-managed deal - houses, double glazing or kitchens. We deal with agents because they have something to offer of benefit to us, and in the business world it's their job to extract the maximum profit from that. If you think the way they do it sucks then use another. Time has shown that the agents who use too many unpleasant tactics go bust. If agents help your bottom line use them and stop whingeing, if they don't then don't.
this topic has been done do death......and beyond.
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Had another 2 ring me last night, 5pm and 7pm, both want to represent me, both trying to put me forward to a job I've already interviewed for (and failed), then both wanting contact details at all my previous companies.
One of them asked me to explain what I do in a covering letter, which I'd already done as he 'didn't have time to do' so instead of of doing that done some digging found the company he was trying to put me 'in front of' and got the CTO on the phone. Just waiting for him to call me back now as I interrupted a meeting he was in.
The thing that annoys me is that I work in a very specialised industry, and people who don't know the industry fail to see what I can do, and don't understand the role I can play. It's a real pain, so much of this job hunting comes down to luck and timing.
One of them asked me to explain what I do in a covering letter, which I'd already done as he 'didn't have time to do' so instead of of doing that done some digging found the company he was trying to put me 'in front of' and got the CTO on the phone. Just waiting for him to call me back now as I interrupted a meeting he was in.
The thing that annoys me is that I work in a very specialised industry, and people who don't know the industry fail to see what I can do, and don't understand the role I can play. It's a real pain, so much of this job hunting comes down to luck and timing.
theboyfold said:
Anyway, oddly one of them has just slipped up and mentioned the names of the companies that he is talking to, which is unusual. So, is it wrong for me to directly contact the name that he mentioned? It was somebody I had dealings with a little while back, so I have a slight link already.
When you need a job, ANYTHING GOES !!!! theboyfold said:
then both wanting contact details at all my previous companies.
Standard ploy, as is asking for the names of all the companies you currently have CVs in with "so they don't send them again". Anything to harvest contact details, particularly in the latter case as those are hot leads for companies actually hiring. JonRB said:
as is asking for the names of all the companies you currently have CVs in with "so they don't send them again". Anything to harvest contact details, particularly in the latter case as those are hot leads for companies actually hiring.
Well pointed out, especially important this one, because not only will they send your details again hoping they can undercut the other agency (a cut that'll get passed on to you) and makes you look desperate & disorganised ('cos your coming in via multiple agents) but as Jon said they'll also submit CVs for everyone else on their books that remotely matches the job in competition with you.Gassing Station | Business | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff