One Hour 2 driver series in the UK..

[Graham]

is there one?

is anyone interested...

[RobM77]

The Radical UK Cup runs in a format with a driver change. I'm already booked up for 2009 in 750MC Formula 4, so not really interested I'm afraid unless it's especially cheap.

[Graham]

MMM More interested in something that mixes saloons and GT's kind of Britcar light...

the shortest Britcar being 90 mins (120 inc qually) and an eye watering 1245+vat as a one off !! approx £715 per hour inc vat ( admittedly it is reduced slightly if you do the full season)

which seems quite a lot when i currently pay about 350 inc vat for an hours track time..


Probably still end up doing some britcar at some point though

The Ideal would be 2 * 1 hour races over a weekend... One hour is a bit longer than your average sprint race for each driver, but you dont need dry break to refuel and you dont need to change tyres so no air jacks etc..

Edited by Graham on Thursday 5th February 19:10

[stuartj]

CSCC Future Classics gives 40 minutes, 2 driver format...........

[ginettajoe]

stuartj said:

CSCC Future Classics gives 40 minutes, 2 driver format...........

together with their other series, ..... "Swinging Sixties", "Tin Tops", "Magnificent 7's"

[Graham]

Bit on the short side as thats less than a 20min sprint race each.. not sure a sag would qualify either :-(

G

[RogueMotorsport]

I'd certainly be interested in races of this format... I like the sound of Britcar light!

Edited by RogueMotorsport on Thursday 5th February 21:55

[andy97]

The CSCC series' "Swinging Sixties", "Future Classics", "Tin Tops" & "Magnificent 7s" are the only series in a 2 driver "mini-enduro/ Britcar Light" format that I know of in the UK. I agree that 40 min races are a bit short for that but there is a balance between the track time and affordability for most club competitors. A 30 min qualy & a 40 min race costs between £240 at Anglesey & £285 at Oulton Park or Brands, so the club is trying to operate at the value end of the market compared to Britcar. The CSCC does have an invite for all 4 of its series to a 1 hour race at Spa in July, though. However, to be eligible for an entry you must ahve raced at least twice in other CSCC meetings beforehand.

A Sagaris probably would not be eligible for the CSCC series' (too new for FC) but one of the wedge shaped TVRs or an S2 might be.

Edited by andy97 on Friday 6th February 07:23

[cerealsurfer]

andy97 said:

The CSCC series' "Swinging Sixties", "Future Classics", "Tin Tops" & "Magnificent 7s" are the only series in a 2 driver "mini-enduro/ Britcar Light" format that I know of in the UK. I agree that 40 min races are a bit short for that but there is a balance between the track time and affordability for most club competitors. A 30 min qualy & a 40 min race costs between £240 at Anglesey & £285 at Oulton Park or Brands, so the club is trying to operate at the value end of the market compared to Britcar. The CSCC does have an invite for all 4 of its series to a 1 hour race at Spa in July, though. However, to be eligible for an entry you must ahve raced at least twice in other CSCC meetings beforehand.

A Sagaris probably would not be eligible for the CSCC series' (too new for FC) but one of the wedge shaped TVRs or an S2 might be.

Edited by andy97 on Friday 6th February 07:23

Sorry for a potential Hi-Jack.. but I have a 1600cc 1985 Morgan 4/4 CVH that I currently double drive in the Morgan Sprint Championship. I'm intrigued by the Swinging 60's CSCC series... whilst it's a 1985 model it's definately in the sprit of the 60's (or in fact the 30's) but what would think the chances were of getting the Mog in would be... OR would I be excluded based on date of manufacture? Could the car (note... not necessarily the driver) be competitive in the <1600cc class? Has a Morgan run in that class/series before?

[teamHOLDENracing]

Graham said:

MMM More interested in something that mixes saloons and GT's kind of Britcar light...

the shortest Britcar being 90 mins (120 inc qually) and an eye watering 1245+vat as a one off !! approx £715 per hour inc vat ( admittedly it is reduced slightly if you do the full season)

which seems quite a lot when i currently pay about 350 inc vat for an hours track time..


Probably still end up doing some britcar at some point though

The Ideal would be 2 * 1 hour races over a weekend... One hour is a bit longer than your average sprint race for each driver, but you dont need dry break to refuel and you dont need to change tyres so no air jacks etc..

Edited by Graham on Thursday 5th February 19:10

So a UK version of the Dutch Supercar Challenge?

Did you see Dailysportscar's Britcar story... the one where JT said his fees had come down (unlike other series). Now I am but a mere Chartered Accountant, but even my humble skills are sufficient to spot that Britcar's 2009 fees are higher than the 2008 ....

[Graham]

teamHOLDENracing said:

So a UK version of the Dutch Supercar Challenge?

In essence yes

teamHOLDENracing said:

Did you see Dailysportscar's Britcar story... the one where JT said his fees had come down (unlike other series). Now I am but a mere Chartered Accountant, but even my humble skills are sufficient to spot that Britcar's 2009 fees are higher than the 2008 ....

I was starting to question my O-level maths !!!!

[stuartj]

Edited by andy97 on Friday 6th February 07:23

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Sorry for a potential Hi-Jack.. but I have a 1600cc 1985 Morgan 4/4 CVH that I currently double drive in the Morgan Sprint Championship. I'm intrigued by the Swinging 60's CSCC series... whilst it's a 1985 model it's definately in the sprit of the 60's (or in fact the 30's) but what would think the chances were of getting the Mog in would be... OR would I be excluded based on date of manufacture? Could the car (note... not necessarily the driver) be competitive in the <1600cc class? Has a Morgan run in that class/series before?
[/quote]

Not sure you'd get into Swinging 60's, cerealsurfer - regs say 'The Series is open to ALL sports and saloon cars in production in the 1960s. Cars from the 1950s will also be eligible. Cars from the 70s “in the spirit” of the Series may be accepted by the Committee.' Pretty sure you'd be fine in Future Classics though - same format racing, just 70's and 80's cars............

Edited by stuartj on Friday 6th February 20:45

[taffyracer]

I'd love to see a 1hr GT series, 1 day support, 1 set of tyres, enough racing to make it worthwhile but not too much that the costs escalate to Britcar extent, it'd get my vote

[cerealsurfer]

stuartj][footnote]Edited by andy97 on Friday 6th February 07:23[/footnote said:

cerealsurfer said:

Sorry for a potential Hi-Jack.. but I have a 1600cc 1985 Morgan 4/4 CVH that I currently double drive in the Morgan Sprint Championship. I'm intrigued by the Swinging 60's CSCC series... whilst it's a 1985 model it's definately in the sprit of the 60's (or in fact the 30's) but what would think the chances were of getting the Mog in would be... OR would I be excluded based on date of manufacture? Could the car (note... not necessarily the driver) be competitive in the <1600cc class? Has a Morgan run in that class/series before?

Not sure you'd get into Swinging 60's, cerealsurfer - regs say 'The Series is open to ALL sports and saloon cars in production in the 1960s. Cars from the 1950s will also be eligible. Cars from the 70s “in the spirit” of the Series may be accepted by the Committee.' Pretty sure you'd be fine in Future Classics though - same format racing, just 70's and 80's cars............

Edited by stuartj on Friday 6th February 20:45

Yeh.. thought so.... bummer.. not sure how competitive the Mog would be in the Future Classics series.

[andy97]

cerealsurfer said:

stuartj][footnote]Edited by andy97 on Friday 6th February 07:23[/footnote said:

cerealsurfer said:

Sorry for a potential Hi-Jack.. but I have a 1600cc 1985 Morgan 4/4 CVH that I currently double drive in the Morgan Sprint Championship. I'm intrigued by the Swinging 60's CSCC series... whilst it's a 1985 model it's definately in the sprit of the 60's (or in fact the 30's) but what would think the chances were of getting the Mog in would be... OR would I be excluded based on date of manufacture? Could the car (note... not necessarily the driver) be competitive in the <1600cc class? Has a Morgan run in that class/series before?

Not sure you'd get into Swinging 60's, cerealsurfer - regs say 'The Series is open to ALL sports and saloon cars in production in the 1960s. Cars from the 1950s will also be eligible. Cars from the 70s “in the spirit” of the Series may be accepted by the Committee.' Pretty sure you'd be fine in Future Classics though - same format racing, just 70's and 80's cars............

Edited by stuartj on Friday 6th February 20:45

Yeh.. thought so.... bummer.. not sure how competitive the Mog would be in the Future Classics series.

It is worth contacting he club and asking which series it would the car would be most suitable for. It may be suitable for Swinging Sixties as the car is a 1960s design and cars have raced that were built later than the sixties but were of the original type (minis and MGs are a good example). Not sure about the engine, though. The CVH was introduced in 1980, I think, & that may make it difficult. Certainly worth asking. The club are very approachable and will try all they can to work out how to accommodate you.

As for Morgan in Future Classics, I don't think there would be a problem and it would probably be competitive against some of the other cars in the 1600 class such as Mazda MX5. Future Classics also often runs an invitation class and this is often formed from the overspill (ie the reserves) from the very popular Swinging Sixties series, so you'd probably have some one to race against.

Finally, the CSCC almost always run a Sports Vs Saloon challenge race at the end of the day (entries are usually heavily discounted if its your second race of the day IIRC) and the entries from this are usually made up of all comers from the previous races along with a few people whose cars don't fit the usual CSCC series. You could efinately race there, & indeed, some Morgans have run in this in the past.

The CSCC are running a Test Day at Snetterton on 19 March, why don't you go along & see how you get on? The more the merrier.

[cerealsurfer]

andy97 said:

cerealsurfer said:

stuartj][footnote]Edited by andy97 on Friday 6th February 07:23[/footnote said:

cerealsurfer said:

Sorry for a potential Hi-Jack.. but I have a 1600cc 1985 Morgan 4/4 CVH that I currently double drive in the Morgan Sprint Championship. I'm intrigued by the Swinging 60's CSCC series... whilst it's a 1985 model it's definately in the sprit of the 60's (or in fact the 30's) but what would think the chances were of getting the Mog in would be... OR would I be excluded based on date of manufacture? Could the car (note... not necessarily the driver) be competitive in the <1600cc class? Has a Morgan run in that class/series before?

Not sure you'd get into Swinging 60's, cerealsurfer - regs say 'The Series is open to ALL sports and saloon cars in production in the 1960s. Cars from the 1950s will also be eligible. Cars from the 70s “in the spirit” of the Series may be accepted by the Committee.' Pretty sure you'd be fine in Future Classics though - same format racing, just 70's and 80's cars............

Edited by stuartj on Friday 6th February 20:45

Yeh.. thought so.... bummer.. not sure how competitive the Mog would be in the Future Classics series.

It is worth contacting he club and asking which series it would the car would be most suitable for. It may be suitable for Swinging Sixties as the car is a 1960s design and cars have raced that were built later than the sixties but were of the original type (minis and MGs are a good example). Not sure about the engine, though. The CVH was introduced in 1980, I think, & that may make it difficult. Certainly worth asking. The club are very approachable and will try all they can to work out how to accommodate you.

As for Morgan in Future Classics, I don't think there would be a problem and it would probably be competitive against some of the other cars in the 1600 class such as Mazda MX5. Future Classics also often runs an invitation class and this is often formed from the overspill (ie the reserves) from the very popular Swinging Sixties series, so you'd probably have some one to race against.

Finally, the CSCC almost always run a Sports Vs Saloon challenge race at the end of the day (entries are usually heavily discounted if its your second race of the day IIRC) and the entries from this are usually made up of all comers from the previous races along with a few people whose cars don't fit the usual CSCC series. You could efinately race there, & indeed, some Morgans have run in this in the past.

The CSCC are running a Test Day at Snetterton on 19 March, why don't you go along & see how you get on? The more the merrier.

Thanks, I've pinged a mail to the series organiser.... let's hope.

[*Kosta*]

www.evoxseries.com

Although i reckon it will be a bit pricey. Probably overpriced.

[andy97]

Graham said:

MMM More interested in something that mixes saloons and GT's kind of Britcar light...

the shortest Britcar being 90 mins (120 inc qually) and an eye watering 1245+vat as a one off !! approx £715 per hour inc vat ( admittedly it is reduced slightly if you do the full season)

which seems quite a lot when i currently pay about 350 inc vat for an hours track time..

Probably still end up doing some britcar at some point though

The Ideal would be 2 * 1 hour races over a weekend... One hour is a bit longer than your average sprint race for each driver, but you dont need dry break to refuel and you dont need to change tyres so no air jacks etc..

Edited by Graham on Thursday 5th February 19:10

Has anybody actually talked to Britcar, or any of the other clubs, about doing such a series? Surely some of the GT Cup, Porsche, Nippon, LMA EuroSaloons, AMOC etc people would be interested?

Perhaps someone should propose a couple of taster races for towards the end of the year, or maybe a support race at the Britcar 6 hour meeting? Maybe not 2 x races over a weekend at first (2 day meetings are often more difficult to get time away for anyway) but a few one day, 1 hour taster's might be good to gauge interest.

The CSCC have had lots of success with their 40 min "mini-enduros" at club level but maybe there needs to be something between that and full on Britcar or Brit GT.

Maybe stick to List 1B tyres as well, to cut costs further. Not sure who the "someone" to do the talking to the clubs is, though!!LOL! Would have to be one or two people who would definately be interested. Graham, TaffyRacer.....??

If I was Britcar, I'd seriously look in to it, even the name "Britcar Light(s)" seems to suit, although I'm sure that the arguments about the class splits would go on & on!!!

Edited by andy97 on Thursday 26th February 10:31

[taffyracer]

it has been suggested to GT Cup and they said they were considering it, they do have a longer race at Croft in Sept but apart from that most of the rest are 2 day 2 race affairs.

I think a 1hr race for GT cars would be a winner, especially if you could get practice and qualifying in the am and race in the pm, saves on support and accommodation costs and would make GT racing truly within most people's reach, Britcar and GT cup simply needs too much money to be competitive and do a full season

[petercfrench]

I have been reading all of you comments on cheap racing! THERE IS NO SUCH ANIMAL. However the comments that Andy97 makes about CSCC and its race format are accurate. I did two race meeting with CSCC in 2008 were I got two hours of track time for £465. The track time was splite into four 15 qualifying sessions and four 15 minute races do the math, CHEAP! This year with CSCC 1 hour and 10 minutes for bewteen £250 - £300 for one diver, two drivers one car, or a two car team entries. If the race is shared that is an 18 minute rac and a 15 minute qualifying for bewteen £125 to £150, on brilliant circuits. More information at www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk

Edited by petercfrench on Sunday 1st March 21:21

Edited by petercfrench on Sunday 1st March 21:23