Sugar Powder Explodes...how?
Sugar Powder Explodes...how?
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LotusACBC

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Friday 6th February 2009
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Just read a news story on my cell phone about an explosion in a sugar factory that caused a death to one person and severe body burns to another. Supposedly powders such as sugar and other particles can ignite. How is this possible? Should we all be careful when openinga fun dip or nestles chocolate mix?

story here

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/eng99/eng995...


10 Pence Short

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246 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Flour mills have always been an explosion risk.

LotusACBC

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Friday 6th February 2009
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10 Pence Short said:
Flour mills have always been an explosion risk.
Yes, but what makes such a thing happen?

Muntu

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Friday 6th February 2009
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I am not clicking on any link that could quite feasably go to a site showing 'deep anal'

TheEnd

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217 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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the finely granulated powders burn very easy, they don't need much heat to ignite, and they then burn, and pass heat on the the next particle,

i guess you never did that custard powder experiment at school?
Alluminium will burn quite easy too in powder form

LotusACBC

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Friday 6th February 2009
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TheEnd said:
the finely granulated powders burn very easy, they don't need much heat to ignite, and they then burn, and pass heat on the the next particle,

i guess you never did that custard powder experiment at school?
Alluminium will burn quite easy too in powder form
Not aware of such an experiment. Seems so strange to me though. Lets use to propel cars LOL

Emsman

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219 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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The end is spot on.



Small particles give up thier energy very easily, and due to being very fine, they are closely situated, so energy passes from one to another very easily.
Lots of energy in each one, passes on, and on etc very quickly, becoming explosive in a confined space.


TheEnd

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217 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIkk0D2tUU8

firework rocket surrounded by flour!
i'm so gonna try this!

and the school custard powder in a tin with a candle school thingy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-hVbthR2XU

Red Firecracker

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256 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Flour mills, coal mines, anywhere that has the potential of large clouds of fine dust are at risk of explosion.

It's the cloud effect that does it, nice mix of very fine particles and oxygen.

Custard powder is the best readily available 'source'. The trick is in releasing the powder to get a good cloud and delaying the small initial charge. Apparently.......

spikeyhead

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Friday 6th February 2009
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Ah, the joys of having someone stand on the roof of a 10 storey building with a tin of milk powder and someone at the bottom with a flame.

With some skill, you can get a nine storey column of flame running up the side of the building.

MrV

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257 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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spikeyhead said:
Ah, the joys of having someone stand on the roof of a 10 storey building with a tin of milk powder and someone at the bottom with a flame.

With some skill, you can get a nine storey column of flame running up the side of the building.
Not quite that big but

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsMJGCRsLLM&fea...

Mobile Chicane

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241 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Static electricity builds up and eventually discharges

Dogwatch

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251 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Particles have to be airborne, i.e. being pumped or blown. Spark can be created by static electicity from particles rubbing together.

There was a theory at one time that the real damage to the Titanic was caused by coal dust in the bunkers (on beams and ledges etc.) being dislodged by the collision and forming a dusty atmosphere which then exploded.

OllieC

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243 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Dogwatch said:
Particles have to be airborne, i.e. being pumped or blown. Spark can be created by static electicity from particles rubbing together.

There was a theory at one time that the real damage to the Titanic was caused by coal dust in the bunkers (on beams and ledges etc.) being dislodged by the collision and forming a dusty atmosphere which then exploded.
didnt someone try and run a car on coal dust way back in the old days, or did i invent / imagine this

RedLeicester

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274 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Dogwatch said:
Particles have to be airborne, i.e. being pumped or blown. Spark can be created by static electicity from particles rubbing together.

There was a theory at one time that the real damage to the Titanic was caused by coal dust in the bunkers (on beams and ledges etc.) being dislodged by the collision and forming a dusty atmosphere which then exploded.
OT - wasn't that theory the one considered for the Lutsitania, not the Titanic?

branflakes

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267 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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This is what happens when Mythbusters has a go biggrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRw4ZRqmxOc

erdnase

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230 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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As an irresponsible teen, i used to mix sugar with potassium chlorate, which I got from the pet shop as fishtank oxygenating tablets. Boom smile

LotusACBC

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Friday 6th February 2009
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OllieC said:
Dogwatch said:
Particles have to be airborne, i.e. being pumped or blown. Spark can be created by static electicity from particles rubbing together.

There was a theory at one time that the real damage to the Titanic was caused by coal dust in the bunkers (on beams and ledges etc.) being dislodged by the collision and forming a dusty atmosphere which then exploded.
didnt someone try and run a car on coal dust way back in the old days, or did i invent / imagine this
I would like to entertain such an idea if it were feasbile.

LotusACBC

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Friday 6th February 2009
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TheEnd said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIkk0D2tUU8

firework rocket surrounded by flour!
i'm so gonna try this!

and the school custard powder in a tin with a candle school thingy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-hVbthR2XU
Im definately gonna try this also LOL

One of us is coming back with no finger

spikeyhead

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226 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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erdnase said:
As an irresponsible teen, i used to mix sugar with potassium chlorate, which I got from the pet shop as fishtank oxygenating tablets. Boom smile
Didn't everyone of a certain age used to do this?