20mph limit 'would save lives'

[sqwib]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3226673.stm

So, where are the proposals for increasing the road-safety awareness of the children in these 'disadvantaged' areas?

Or is it always the motorists' fault? Makes me sick!

[Big_M]

They should bring back Tufty or the Green Cross Code - instead of those stoopid hedgehogs.

[Apache]

sqwib said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3226673.stm So, where are the proposals for increasing the road-safety awareness of the children in these 'disadvantaged' areas? Or is it always the motorists' fault? Makes me sick!

Always will be I'm afraid, you are unlikely to get any cash from a 'disadvantaged' parent, an easily traceable (by legit plates and tax disc) car driven by an insured driver is a much safer bet

[206xsi]

bbc website said:

The HDA is now calling on local authorities to work with it to introduce safe zones, particularly in the most disadvantaged areas where the accident and death tolls are higher.

We're ok then

Seriously though - how about tackling the issues as to why the tolls are higher in disatvantaged areas?! Get rid of Max puppets and train parents to keep their kids at bay!

>> Edited by 206xsi on Thursday 30th October 14:08

[rus wood]

I've heard it said that at 25mph a child would be likely to survive a colission with a car but at 30mph they wouldn't.
So why can't we teach kids to run away from cars at 5mph ?

[jmorgan]

All very well posting a limit etc but it wouldn't have worked here. Disqualified driver etc

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3150961.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2881161.stm

BBC said in the first link said:

It emerged that this was the fifth time Jones had appeared for driving while disqualified. During the trial, the prosecution described how Jones of Penrhiwceiber, near Aberdare, sped up the road in the south Wales Valleys community at around 50mph even though it was thronging with children drawn out by the chimes of the van.

[centurion07]

bbc website said:

HDA chief executive Paul Streets said it was "shocking" in the 21st century that children were more likely to die because of their social class. He said: "The difference in road injury rates between poor and rich children is a stark and unacceptable example of HEALTH INEQUALITY.

Nothing to do with the fact that kids from "poorer" families tend to live in inner cities & suchlike that, shock horror, have more roads & therefore more traffic around than your average posh cul-de-sac?


Won't somebody think of the children? Won't somebody think of teaching them that roads are for cars & NOT kids more like!

[Davel]

You may accept 20 mph limits around schools and possibly around housing estates etc but equally they should increase other speed limits, where they sensibly can - like dual carriageways and motorways to say 70 and 90 respectively.

Equally though, kids should be made more aware of the dangers from cars and bikes.

Years ago, when kids could more safely go out alone, they were aware more of the dangers of waterways, roads and railways. Nowadays, probably because they go out less or often have a parent with them, they seem less aware of these dangers and they don't think!

[hedders]

rus wood said:

I've heard it said that at 25mph a child would be likely to survive a colission with a car but at 30mph they wouldn't. So why can't we teach kids to run away from cars at 5mph ?

LMAO...or we could teach them how pedestrian crossings work.

[Plotloss]

Children more likely to die due to their social class?

and?

[sqwib]

[tryingtoavoidstereotypesbutthenwhyshouldi?]

By 'disadvantaged areas' we probably automatically assume 'council estates', right?

In these areas, kids are typically brought up with a 'no fear' attitude to absolutely everything. If they come to any harm it may be (and usually is) because of their own stupidity, but the law will invariably penalise someone else for it. Thus the proliferation of juvenile, and by default adult, ignorance continues unabated.

Why don't the HDA, and the pathetically left-wing 'community associations' in these areas work with the police to ensure that the dumbass kids are MADE to learn about DANGER? Such as, 'if you lark about in the traffic you may get knocked down' etc. (not really difficult to understand is it?) instead of all these hilarious 'zones' with their ridiculous 'traffic calming' wheezes?

Although when all is said and done, it's probably a waste of time. [controversialmodeon] Most of these children only exist as a means of claiming benefit, and society as a whole wouldn't suffer by having a few less of them.[controversialmodeoff]
[/tryingtoavoidstereotypesbutthenwhyshouldi?]

Darwin must turn in his grave daily.

[RichB]

bbc website said:

The HDA is now calling on local authorities to work with it to introduce safe zones, particularly in the most disadvantaged areas where the accident and death tolls are higher.

Natural selection then...

[windsorphil]

Re the Jones case below... although he is obviously a scrote, wtf was a 2-year old doing crossing the road, presumably unaided!?

[Mr2Mike]

What they don't seem to realise is that your often have to drive through these area's quickly, otherwise you'll have the wheels nicked of your car before to get to the end of the road.

[Madmini]

It is believed that children cannot judge the speed of vehicles until they are over 14 years of age. I think the decline in the number of kids who cycle has contributed to the general lack of roadsense amongst children.
If it means that motorists will have to adhere to a 20mph speed limit in built up areas to prevent serious injury and death to minors then so be it.

Andy

[sparkyjohn]

Possibly if local authorities hadn't been allowed to sell off every last bit of open land there would be fewer children playing in the streets in poorer areas ?
If you've no back garden, no park within walking distance and you want to have a kick around, where the heck are you supposed to go ?
Appropriately sited (which, of course, they won't be) 20s might well save lives, as well as making the lives of people who live in high density housing a bit more tolerable.

[sqwib]

Madmini said:

It is believed that children cannot judge the speed of vehicles until they are over 14 years of age.

Therefore, they should be forbidden from playing in the road, full stop. If the gormless parents can't get their heads around this they should be given a few lessons by the do-gooding community workers.

[Madmini]

sqwib said:

Madmini said: It is believed that children cannot judge the speed of vehicles until they are over 14 years of age. Therefore, they should be forbidden from playing in the road, full stop. If the gormless parents can't get their heads around this they should be given a few lessons by the do-gooding community workers.

[centurion07]

Madmini said:

It is believed that children cannot judge the speed of vehicles until they are over 14 years of age. I think the decline in the number of kids who cycle has contributed to the general lack of roadsense amongst children. If it means that motorists will have to adhere to a 20mph speed limit in built up areas to prevent serious injury and death to minors then so be it. Andy

I am quite capable of deciding for myself what the safe speed for any given road/situation is. AND 20MPH LIMITS CAN KISS MY BUTT!!! Personally I would feel more aggrieved at running over a cat than a kid. And as for the "can't judge speed until they're 14", if in doubt, don't take the chance! ('specially if it's me coming down the road!)

[hornet]

Madmini said:

It is believed that children cannot judge the speed of vehicles until they are over 14 years of age

That explains why they keep crashing those stolen cars then...